Talk:Northamptonshire

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Removed Stanford Hall as it's in Leicestershire!--JBellis 17:42, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether this is the right place to mention it (apologies if not), but the article reads "Corby is said to be the largest town in England without a railway station." Corby's population (2002 est.) is 53,741. The town of Gosport on the south coast has a population of 77,092 (2002 est.) and also does not have a railway station. Whilst I cannot confirm that Gosport is the largest such town (although the claim is made locally), Corby is certainly not the largest and this sentence should probably be removed from this article. Hope this is helpful. Regards, S Latham.

Indeed, this is often stated without any actual proof. I've removed this from both Northamptonshire and Corby. Tom- 15:32, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

I think this was the case in the 1980's and was used as a basis for re-instating a service between Kettering and Corby. The service was little used and eventually withdrawn. I suppose it depends on where you draw the boundaries of the town, and how far away the nearest station must be before the town is defined as "not having a station". It was quoted in our local paper (Kettering Evening Telegraph) last Thursday, but no figures were given.

I've found a few snippets which may be of interest:

• All 3 of Leigh, Gosport and Corby have all been claimed to be the largest in this Parliamentary session (normally by their local MPs who are looking for funding for a transport project) to be the largest. More...
• From the House of Commons, 15 March 2005:"I can answer part of my hon. Friend's query about whether there are people in a worse position by comparing Leigh, with its population of 43,000, with Corby, which has a population of some 50,000 and does not have a railway station." More...
• From the House of Commons, 28 June 2005: Mr. Philip Hollobone (Kettering) (Con) "Is the Secretary of State aware that calls for the reopening of the Kettering to Corby railway line to regular passenger traffic enjoy popular support in north Northamptonshire? However, in the Government's Milton Keynes and south midlands sub-regional spatial strategy, published in March, plans for the reopening of that line were described as a possible future priority, but not a current priority. Given that Corby is the largest town in western Europe without access to a regular rail passenger service, can the Secretary of State advise the House when plans for the reopening of Corby station will be announced?" More...

-=# Amos E Wolfe ^talk #=- 18:33, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

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Creating WikiProject Northants

Im thinking on creating a WikiProject on Northamptonshire but I would need some help and what do you think on this idea, please tell me on my talk page. Likelife (talk) 12:58, 22 July 2009 (UTC) Go to :Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Northamptonshire if you support or don't. Likelife (talk) 10:48, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Cleaning up

This article is Top Priority. It has been written in good faith, but has been tagged for several issues. This is in no way intended as a criticism, and should be regarded as flagging of areas that need urgent attention. The issues stem from the many different contributions and styles of writing, layout, and format. A partial clean up has been made to demonstrate the extent of work still needed to be done to make this the Northamptonshire Project flagship article, but a thorough copyedit is required. Issues include, but are not limited to:

• Non-encyclopedic prose style
• POV or unverifiable statements
• Incorrect dispalay of inline references and book sources
• Peacock terms
• Vague time line citations (such as: in the past, recently, in the future, will be, etc)
• Speculation on future events. Wiki is not a crystal ball and things that haven't happened yet should not be reported unless accompaniede by verifiable references such as official document confirming the granting of planning permission, new railways, etc.
• Conflict of information: The article states that there is only one university in the county, but states that the Tresham Institute "...offers courses in conjunction with several local universities..." Please delete or rephrase to be more specific - copy editors can't guess whether the informatioin is accurate of not.
• Sports: Unless of critical national importance, such as, for example, winning the FA cup, or a small village team getting to the quarter final of it, detailed histories and game results of local clubs are not of encyclopedic interest.
• Source material: possible over use of one single source in some sections. While correctly sourcing information is highly desirable - in fact mandatory - intensive use of one source may unintentionally introduce too much of that one author's opinion or research conclusions. An effort should be made at a greater diversity of sources to ensure an even balance.

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Regarding Tresham College (No longer institute), it offers courses in conjunction with several local universities. The universities being DeMontfort Leicester, DeMontfort Bedford and Northampton University. I shall edit the article to reflect this in the morning when I am sober. ReformatMe (talk) 00:03, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

There is a large amount of pionts here which need addressing, and could not be done quickly but hope we can all agree that we will all help chaging this page and get rid of all things against Wikipedia's policy. Likelife (talk) 10:01, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Colleges

I've reinstalled the list of colleges because: I think there is no harm in a county article listing them in the education section; there aren't many; colleges are de facto notable so they could/should have their own articles; the red links might inspire someone - me? ;) to write the articles.--Kudpung (talk) 15:26, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Alan Titchmarsh and his pancreas

I'm interested in what others think about the inclusion of Alan Titchmarsh's 'Pancreas of England'. I guess it should appear in the Geography section if anywhere, and definitely be referenced. My opinion is that it should not be in the lead, which gives it undue prominence; Titchmarsh is a television presenter, not a geographer or historian. At the moment the article says Northants has been likened to a pancreas "most notably" by Titchmarsh, but Googling has produced no other mentions of it... Bogbumper (talk) 20:32, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

You are quite right to bring this up. In my opinion, a casual one-off remark by a TV or radio presenter, unless it has become a popular buzzword, is not important enough for a mention anywhere in a Wikipedia article. The same goes for the unreferenced mention of 'squires and spires'. I suggest cutting these things out and expanding the intro into a proper summary of the article that follows it.--Kudpung (talk) 02:06, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

I've removed the offending paragraph completely. I'll do some work on the intro this week if I get a chance. ReformatMe (talk) 23:55, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Seems good to me. I've seen 'spires and squires' used before elsewhere, but we'll need references for it, of course... Here's one from The Rough Guide to Britain. I made a stub for Hunsbury Hill, by the way. Bogbumper (talk) 07:26, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

The pancreas is back again!!!!! and it's not referenced... Bogbumper (talk) 14:43, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

I've heard the phrase being used from time to time recently with reference to Northamptonshire, and a Google search shows several references to it being "England's Pancreas", so surely it should be included. I doubt that Titchmarsh would have invented the phrase. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.81.199.40 (talk) 20:41, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Are there reputable references to back this up? Last time I looked, there weren't. I bet if you asked a sample of people (even in Northants) what or where England's pancreas was, they'd just look at you blankly. Bogbumper (talk) 10:13, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Populations of largest towns

In the list of town populations, borough/district populations were being used. This made the towns artificially large - Daventry, for instance, trebled in size as it took in Weedon, Long Buckby, Brixworth, Moulton, and all of the other large villages in its district. I've therefore amended the figures to the town populations as per the underlying articles, all as at the 2001 census. Matthew (talk) 23:46, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Northamptonshire Flag

The flag shown on this article seems to be completely fictitious. I have never seen on in real life and there is no evidence of a flag like this anywhere online. Does anyone have any evidence for its existence? I know Northamptonshire County Council use a green and white flag with white and red roses, based on their coat of arms. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.81.199.40 (talk) 16:59, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

I admit I've never seen it either.Likelife (talk) 08:33, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

The reference for the flag shown at the moment (File:County Flag of Northamptonshire.png) is a non-reliable fringe nationalist website (see "reference" link). Northamptonshire did send a flag to the UK government to hang - see link - but it looks nothing like the one on display here at the moment. For that reason I'm removing the current flag and will append a note to Commons. TheGrappler (talk) 22:56, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Though NB the county council, and county, flags need not be the same! But the Flag Institute doesn't list a Northamptonshire design and I can't see any RS to back up the fringe source. TheGrappler (talk) 23:14, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

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Market Harborough

The town of Market Harborough has never, in its entire history, been in the county of Northamptonshire. It was stated on the page that Market Harborough was once in the historic county of Northamptonshire (in the same way that the Soke of Peterborough once was), but this has never been so. It was also stated without a citation, and the fact that this was approved shows laziness and sloppyness on the part of the page editors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.18.176.10720:20, 13 April 2024 (talk)

Please assume good faith. The error arose from a misreading of the source: on looking at it more closely, it is clear now that it was only the Little Bowden neighbourhood of Market Harborough that was in Northamptonshire. I will fix it but why not sign up and fix such errors yourself next time?