Talk:2024 anti-Turkish riots in Syria

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@Ilamxan: Most of the material you have added was not written in encylopedic format, and were in a non-consecutive order. I did my best to improve your writing while retaining the material you have added. Vast majority of it has been removed since they were already included. You also appear to be incorrectly citing casualties. The sources you've added all cite Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which has said that 7 people were killed in the clashes, 5 of whom were militants. Hope this clears things up a bit. If you have any questions or requests about adding stuff to Wikipedia, I would be more than happy to help you, but please do not drastically change the article with a flood of not news events. We have to pay close attention to the balance of the articles of Wikipedia as well as their quality. Have a nice day. Ecrusized (talk) 22:02, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

@Ilamxan: I don't understand what changes you're trying to make to the infobox. Please reply here instead of trying to communicate with me through edit summaries. Some factions of the "SNA" clashes with Turkey while other supported it. There is not a clear line which those are, hence, they were named pro and anti-Turkey factions. Simply using the word (factions) is meaningless. Ecrusized (talk) 11:28, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

"Some factions of the "SNA" clashes with Turkey while other supported it. There is not a clear line which those are, hence, they were named pro and anti-Turkey factions" —

The SNA central command fought for Turkey, I put “factions” for the Anti-Turk side because they are clearly against Turkey so no need to put “anti-Turkey”. Those are just some dissident factions so the word “factions” is enough. Ilamxan (talk) 11:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

@Ilamxan: There is no such thing as an SNA central command. Its a coalition of several rebel groups, not led by a specific one. Also, please cite sources for that. Ecrusized (talk) 11:35, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

If that is true, why did you remove my edit when I wrote that the Sultan Murad division and Hamza division were among the pro-turk factions? Ilamxan (talk) 11:38, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

@Ilamxan: Because it did not cite any source, also, this reporter says that Hamza division is among the groups who rioted, alongside Levant Front, Jaysh al-Islam, Ahrar al-Sharqiyah, Asifat ash Shamal, some subgroups from Faylaq ar-Rahman. Nonetheless, its a non-comprehensive list and not a very reliable post, hence we cannot cite it. I removed the slashing of flags because it was already included and HTS increasing security is trivial, as in its not important enough to be included. See, WP:ONUS, verifiability does not guarantee inclusion. Ecrusized (talk) 11:45, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

The slashing of flags while shouting takbir was near the border, while the rest of the flag slashing was around the whole countryside and with government buildings. Also HTS increasing security is really relevant, it gives people the answer as to why the Idlib protests weren’t as serious as Aleppo. Ilamxan (talk) 11:51, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

I should point out that the way you add content to Wikipedia, not just to this article but others as well, is really out of format. You appear to be adding single sentence paragraphs, not in cohesion with each other nor following a timeline of events. Also note the fact that articles and writing prose need to have a certain balance. When you bloat the article with trivial content, such as adding every single detail, it turns the article into an info dump. Ecrusized (talk) 11:54, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

There kind of is a SNA central, as the SNA is basically the army of the Syrian Interim Government which is all pro-Turkey. This is from the source of my edit that you removed "The joint command force of the Syrian National Army confirmed the brotherly relations with Turkey, and elements of the army raised their flag in northern Syria.

The Syrian National Army (SNA) strengthened its security measures in the northern regions, sending military forces to secure local administrative buildings, following some events and developments in the region, on Monday.

In a video statement issued by the "Joint Command" consisting of the factions of "Al-Hamzat" and "Suleiman Shah" of the Syrian National Army, the elements of the two factions raised the Syrian and Turkish flags on the mast." Ilamxan (talk) 11:42, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Again, you're making stuff up without any citing of sources. You also appear to have little knowledge of the subject. There is "army" of Syrian Interim Government. It is just a coalition of multiple rebel groups. Just because their spokesman called for unity doesnt change the fact they rioted and clashed. Something they often do. Ecrusized (talk) 11:47, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

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