Talk:The Crossings at Northwest

Locked/Permanently Closed

The mall itself is LOCKED, and signs are posted at all its entrances that it's been closed, asking for people who visit the merchants to enter from their outside locations. I'd say that's perfect definition of the mall being permanently closed! When you can't enter the building, because the door's were locked with signs posted its closed, there's no way you can call it open!--76.235.77.14 (talk) 05:02, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Read the reference for St. Louis Centre from the St. Louis Business Journal:

http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stories/2006/08/28/daily30.html

It says that the Center will close, while Gold's Gym will remain open because it has an outside entrance. Just because a mall has open stores that are accessible from the outside, if the mall itself is closed, and locked, then the mall is NOT open. Northwest Plaza in St. Ann, Missouri, has been locked! Signs are posted at all the entrances to the mall that it's NO LONGER open! That is proof the mall has been permanently C-L-O-S-E-D, despite outside stores being open, the mall itself is NOT OPEN; it is a CLOSED MALL!!!--76.235.73.248 (talk) 02:17, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Sure enough, the final store is closing in October of 2010. This will mark the end of the life for the Northwest Plaza mall. The reference to all this information can be found here:

http://marketplace.publicradio.org/standard/display/slideshow.php?ftr_id=82198 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.235.89.206 (talk) 23:55, 7 October 2010 (UTC) --76.235.88.150 (talk) 02:23, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

What you talkin' 'bout, Willis? This mall ain't closed, I drove buy it today, and there is peeps inside. I ain't care what you say, this mall open! Put it down right, this mall be open!!--76.235.88.150 ([[User talk:76.235.88.150|--76.235.81.18 (talk) 09:46, 9 --76.235.79.96 (talk) 07:20, 30 January 2011 (UTC)November 2010 (UTC)--76.235.85.117 (talk) 04:57, 8 November 2010 (UTC)talk]]) 02:23, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

What you talkin' 'bout Willis' Willis? I drove by it, and it's nearly been destroyed!! A massive tornado hit it, destroying nearly the entire mall!!! It didn't make the big news because it's an empty mall, but GOOD GOD did a tornado do massive damage! The mayor said he thinks it was an F4 to do that much damage to the mall.

Because people were saying it was destroyed by a tornado, I decided to take a drive out to the mall. Sure enough, there is NO damage from a tornado at all. The article is FALSE. There were some shoppers there, and saying the mall permanently closed is also false, as some stores do occupy the outer ring of the mall. They may not be able to be entered from inside, but you can from the outside, as they have outside entrances. Plus, the office tower did have people there, so it's still going. The Family Dollar store in one of the outer rings only has outside access, so I'm not sure if that counts as a store inside the mall or not...

I drove out to NORTHWEST PLAZA in St Ann, Missouri today, and found signs posted at EVERY entrance that the mall has been permanently closed to the public. The only stores remaining were along its outer ring and parking lot, but they all have entrances that face the outside. The mall is officially closed as of January 1, 2011 (according to the signs).

I want to throw in my too cents worth about the user TooCents. According to the user, the mall is open, because stores exist there. However, they are only accessible from the outside, NOT the mall!! They claim that as long as a mall has stores, the mall is open. This is untrue! The mall itself has NO INTERNAL STORES, meaning it could very well be torn down, and replaced, while all the outer stores would be retained. Does the entire thing have to be torn down (which is what the current plans call for) in order for the user to agree it's closed?? The management placed signs at EVERY entrance to the MALL that you have to enter all the shops from the outside, rather than the mall, and locked the doors, even removing the hours of operation from the doors! Those are all clear signs the mall itself is a CLOSED MALL! When the St. Louis Centre mall was closed, 1 place remained open, because of its outer entrance, and Northwest Plaza has followed! It is a CLOSED, LOCKED MALL!!! Only security and management can enter it, NO PATRONS ARE ALLOWED INSIDE NORTHWEST PLAZA IN ST ANN, MISSOURI!!!! When patrons can't enter it, it's a closed mall!--76.206.23.163 (talk) 23:45, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Gaps in the mall's history

I made this article as complete as I could when I wrote it, but there're still some gaps. Can anyone out there help me nail down the following?

1. Was Boyd's original? If so, what was it?

Yes, Boyd's was original. It later became Oshman's. Here's a link to some pictures of mall maps

http://mallsofamerica.blogspot.com/2007/03/vintage-northwest-plaza-ad.html

2. I'm also looking for more specific open/close dates for anchors.TenPoundHammer 02:50, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't have official dates, but the open air mall was complete by 1977. Enclosed in 1989. Redevelopment expected soon.

I'm revitalizing this article, and I'd like to ask a similar question or two...

1) When did Dillard’s become a Clearance Center?

What do you mean by Clearance Center? It was always a Dillard's after they bought Stix.

2) When did Boyd’s open, close, and what was it?

Originally part of the mall in the 60's, becamse Oshman's/Burlington.

3) When did Tilt! Family Entertainment Center close?

Closed during late summer 2007.

4) What crime happened at the mall? There was an article from Google News, but the link was broken.

TheListUpdater (talk) 19:1--76.216.121.210 (talk)--76.235.81.18 (talk) 09:54, 9 November 2010 (UTC) 23:48, 4 October 2010 (UTC)6, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

As far as I know, it was a murder in 1994.

Lindbergh Town Center

I got this tidbit from the official site before it went down, and I'm looking how to incorporate/cite it. TheListUpdater (talk) 21:46, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

There are several new additions to Lindbergh Town Center that are sure to attract families from St. Ann and the surrounding areas. Beginning at the center entrance, a new tree-lined drive will serve as the first glimpse of this exciting center. An outdoor plaza with a clock tower and park-like setting will become a central gathering point for the community.

Other New Features

• New landscaping throughout entire property
• Picnic-inspired food court
• “Secret Garden” themed play area for children
• New restrooms throughout
• Family lounge
• New paint, flooring and fountains

Well as far as crime in this mall, there are some things i can tell you. at one time i was an officer with APS. the plaza was my first and main post with that company. most all the crime i seen with my own eyes was petty theft as well as gang fights. the rumor was before my hire date that there was a murder in the mall at Tender Box and Famous Bar but that could have very well been a rumor. i know of one abduction that took place outside of Famous Bar. the person that was kidnapped was found safe and the perpatrator i am not sure of. i was on for about a year (1995-96) i hope this helps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.15.91.137 (talk) 21:09, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Fire

For some reason, it keeps appearing and disappearing. There WAS a fire in the mall. It occurred at the St. Louis Bread Company around 2006. After the fire, the Bread Company left, and has not returned. The mall section that housed the Bread Company still has smoke and water damage, which remains to this day. It was added back, because it's true. There is also water damage from a leaking roof, and due to this, the food court was separated from the rest of the mall.

Reverted edits about tornado

I've reverted the edits that talked about a tornado at the mall. I found nothing about a tornado hitting the mall on Google, Google News, or STL Today (the St. Louis Post Dispatch website). Also, the source for the information was a single image on Photobucket, which is not reliable since anyone can post a photo like that with any caption they want, not to mention that it gives no date that the tornado supposedly hit nor any indication about where the photo was taken. If you want to re-add this information, please cite a reliable source. If this gets added repeatedly without a reliable source, it may be considered vandalism or at the very least disruption.

Also, for people talking about driving by the mall and seeing it opened or closed, could you clarify whether you're talking about Northwest Plaza mall in St. Ann, Missouri (the subject of the article)? Kcowolf (talk) 01:56, 9 November 2010 (UTC)--76.235.85.33 (talk) 06:20, 16 Nov--76.206.21.195 (talk) 02:22, 2 July 2011 (UTC)ember 2010 (UTC)

I wish people would stop picking on its page, because it's a dead mall. Sure, it may no longer have shops INSIDE it, but it does have a few with outside access. Plus, the office tower exists, and people do work there, so stop saying it's totally dead, it's NOT!!

I drove out to NORTHWEST PLAZA in St. Ann, Missouri today. It had signs posted at EVERY entrance that the mall has been permanently closed to the public. All the stores that are in it are all in the outer ring (all are external entrance only- they have no entrances from inside the mall), meaning the mall has been permanently closed (as of January 1, 2011 according to the signs posted by the management). I can upload a picture for you if you want proof, as I was there to take some pics from inside the mall, and saw NO ONE is allowed inside the mall anymore, so I just grabbed outside pics including the signs.--76.235.79.96 (talk) 07:28, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

TORNADO HIT NORTHWEST PLAZA AND ST ANN!!! LAMBERT IN SEVERE DAMAGE CHECK IT OUT!!!! http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=135646275

It just blew out windows, and ripped part of the roof off. The roof was already messed up from lack up upkeep. Since the thing was closed, it didn't make the news, but yes, it did get some damage by the tornado. It was only taken out because the person obviously never saw the mall for theirself, and because the article doesn't specifically mention them- nor does it mention All Star Dodge dealership which also had windows blown out, it didn't happen. Obviously, if the paper doesn't cover all the little places hit, then they weren't hit, according to the dingbat who took it out. But, yes, the tornado DID cause damage to Northwest Plaza.

Sad...

It's a sad event the loss of this great mall. I watched as it was enclosed, thrived, declined and died. It's sad that a mall that size couldn't survive the 2000's. It started that decade the highest grossing in the mall's history, ended it a dead mall. Wow can things change fast. Anyway, I made a few fixes to the article, and updated a few things. It feels a little redundant, but that's because the history of every owner shows how it started its decline, and the decline section does talk about when each anchor left, so I guess it's okay.--76.235.81.18 (talk) 03:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC)--76.235.88.173 (talk) 04:58, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

It was the largest mall in the world in 1963, and in the top 10 when renovated/expanded in 1989. This mall's size may have been part of what did it in, especially with the Mills opening so close.--76.235.85.33 (talk) 06:39, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Who be givven a ship. I do not be given 1! I do be not caring about something who you is all saying is dead, it not be a dead it be a build is stll there. You do no wat I gonna be going to do wat you freeks cant do!

I CARE!! I remember this mall in its heyday too! I grew up in the St. Louis area, and still live here. Before the Mills opened, Northwest Plaza was known as the top mall (most stores) in the area. The handwriting was on the wall years before the efforts to try to save it. Something should have been done to try to save it when the Mills opened, because overnight the mall went from the top mall in the area, to the biggest empty building in the area.--76.235.79.96 (talk) 07:35, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Crime

I added in a second shooting death that occurred at the mall. It had at least 2 that I know about, and may have had more. They were all in the 1990's after it was expanded, and because of that as well as car break-ins, the mall became known as a crime haven. This HAD to be added, because it was part of the mall's history, and shows more reasons why it ended up dying so quickly after the Mills opened 4 miles away.--76.206.23.146 (talk) 23:49, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

There were more. I added the 2006 shooting death that also occurred in the mall by an off-duty cop. This mall was WELL known in the area as a dangerous mall, and that's why I added the 3rd shooting death information.--76.235.102.203 (talk) 23:27, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

--75.11.157.6 (talk) 09:53, 18 April 2011 (UTC)I'm born in 1972, and I don't remember that at all! I grew up in St. Ann, and there were no discussions about mall shootings other than the one in Famous. Are these real, or vandalism?

--76.206.21.195 (talk) 02:13, 2 July 2011 (UTC)All the references were from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, so I'd say they were real.

They're real, but lesser known, as the Famous one involved gangs, but it did have multiple fatalities.2602:304:CFD3:2EE0:CD2D:AD6:F59C:3A7C (talk) 20:52, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Tornado

I don't believe it, I read on here years ago it was hit by a tornado, and tonight it was!!! TRUE STORY!!! St Ann was hit by tornado, Lambert SEVERE damage!!! Northwest damaged too!!! WHAT ARE THE ODDS??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.220.95.238 (talk) 04:13, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

24 hour fitness

didn't close in July 2010. It's still open (unless the tornado got it, I haven't been o that location since then). I'm a member there.75.5.178.153 (talk) 07:20, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Former Junior Anchors

To the person who keeps chaning the Junior Anchor close dates, provide references to your years of close before you change them again, as the years you are reporting do NOT correlate to the dates listed in valid sources, ie the St Louis Post Dispatch, St Louis Business Journal, etc. Thank you.--75.0.33.85 (talk) 09:25, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Auction

Well its over and the thing didnt sell but the owners or the bank said that it would take more money to demolish it than its worth! This thing is just an empty huge mall that is sitting idle and dying--75.0.33.123 (talk) 07:27, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

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