Talk:Edible Field
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Requested move 4 June 2021
edit- The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
No consensus to move. After much-extended time for discussion, there is no consensus for a move to the sponsor de jour at this time. Neither is there a clear consensus to move to the alternative proposal, Travis Field (stadium), though that may reflect the gravamen of the original proposal. I would suggest that User:GiantSnowman and/or User:BrownHairedGirl consider initiating a new process proposing that alternative. BD2412 T 06:35, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
Nutrabolt Stadium → Edible Field – Naming rights for the stadium were purchased by Edible Arrangements in spring 2021. The new name of the ballpark is Edible Field, hence the articlw name change. Ryanfaulk03 (talk) 22:48, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
- Support, see here. 162 etc. (talk) 00:53, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 18:52, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - we should not use sponsored names where a non-sponsored name exists, which in this case is Travis Field (stadium) or similar, so move it there instead? GiantSnowman 18:55, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
- I've seen you make this argument before, can you cite the policy you are basing this on? 162 etc. (talk) 22:02, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose. The sources cited in support of the move are primary sources, reflecting the official name of course but having little or no relevance in terms of our article naming policy. Andrewa (talk) 23:47, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
- The The Bryan-College Station Eagle, which I cited above, is an independent source. 162 etc. (talk) 15:33, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose. Following the sponsored name is not part of the policy WP:AT. Wikipedia policy is to use the WP:COMMONNAME. Only one source has been cited, which is not sufficient evidence to support any claim that that "Edible Field" is the WP:COMMONNAME.
I support @Giant's to use the non-sponsored name, which seems likely to be the best choice for a stadium which as change name so many times, but I am open to evidence in support of other options. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:48, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
- I cannot talk for other WikiProjects, but at WP:FOOTBALL we have followed this rule for a pong time given the large numbers of competitions and stadiums that are sponsored and change every few years. By all means create redirects, but do not move the article every time. GiantSnowman 09:46, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
- The common name for sports stadiums, with few exceptions, is the official name, which may contain a naming rights sponsor. A bias in favour of a non-sponsored name goes against our core rule of WP:COMMONNAME. In this case, the new name has been reported in the local newspaper and TV affiliate. The previous title of Travis Field (Bryan, TX) can remain a redirect, much like, say, Skydome or Stade Municipal (Quebec City). 162 etc. (talk) 14:34, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
- Only for North American stadiums. Not the rest of the world... so maybe (for once) the former should fall in line with the latter? GiantSnowman 21:09, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, there is clearly a precedent that exists. I still don't know how ignoring WP:COMMONNAME in favour of a title that is more convenient for editors is based on Wikipedia policy. Can you cite a guideline, an RfC, something? 162 etc. (talk) 22:23, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
- Only for North American stadiums. Not the rest of the world... so maybe (for once) the former should fall in line with the latter? GiantSnowman 21:09, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
- The common name for sports stadiums, with few exceptions, is the official name, which may contain a naming rights sponsor. A bias in favour of a non-sponsored name goes against our core rule of WP:COMMONNAME. In this case, the new name has been reported in the local newspaper and TV affiliate. The previous title of Travis Field (Bryan, TX) can remain a redirect, much like, say, Skydome or Stade Municipal (Quebec City). 162 etc. (talk) 14:34, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
- I cannot talk for other WikiProjects, but at WP:FOOTBALL we have followed this rule for a pong time given the large numbers of competitions and stadiums that are sponsored and change every few years. By all means create redirects, but do not move the article every time. GiantSnowman 09:46, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Post-RM comment
editI'm moving ahead with a bold move to Edible Field. The discussion debated current sponsored name vs. historic name; I think both sides can agree that prior sponsored name is worse than both those options. 162 etc. (talk) 21:37, 11 February 2022 (UTC)