Talk:Ohio State University at Marion

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Requested move 14 August 2019

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Moved as proposed. Consensus favors the move, and it is not against policy. It has been pointed out that sources exist which omit the leading "The", and that the current titles are not particularly longstanding. bd2412 T 02:19, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

• The Ohio State University at Marion → Ohio State University at Marion
• The Ohio State University at Lima → Ohio State University at Lima
• The Ohio State University at Newark → Ohio State University at Newark
• The Ohio State University at Mansfield → Ohio State University at Mansfield
• The Ohio State University Libraries → Ohio State University libraries
• The Ohio State University Crew Club → Ohio State University Crew Club
• Portal:The Ohio State University → Portal:Ohio State University

– To match the main article at Ohio State University and avoid the unnecessary and awkward use of "The", per WP:THE. Also lowercase for "Libraries". Please also see the four previous RM discussions at Talk:Ohio State University and the recent RMs at Talk:List of presidents of Pennsylvania State University and Talk:Cambridge Union. Also please note that the first four of these were moved without discussion four months ago, so this is a request to revert those four undiscussed moves. —BarrelProof (talk) 05:55, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Oppose, see [1] and [2]. The 'The' is part of the name, and the Libaries is also part of the name. In fact Ohio State University should likely be moved to The Ohio State University. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 06:38, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose. Per WP:THE. "The" is used consistently as part of the university's name on their own websites. I agree that "Ohio State University" should be moved to "The Ohio State University". --Randykitty (talk) 09:08, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Official names can be used if they are used commonly enough and is recognizable. Should also move Ohio State University to The Ohio State University.--JOJ ^Hutton 11:48, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Please note that Wikipedia has its own naming guidance and does not give special status to self-promoted names. Relevant guidance is found in WP:COMMONNAME, WP:THE, MOS:TM, and WP:TITLETM. —BarrelProof (talk) 15:48, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
• Support. Absolutely no need for the definite article whatsoever. The university's website may capitalise it, but not many other sources do, or even include the article at all. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:18, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
• Support. Per WP:THE, starting a title with "the" is discouraged, and there is no need for it here. Per WP:CONSISTENCY with the main article, as it doesn't use "the" in the title, nor does it need to. Per WP:COMMONNAME, we use the common name, not the official name for article titles, and the common name is "Ohio State University". Rreagan007 (talk) 16:59, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
  • I am not so sure about that. While I personally agree that the university's campaign to affix the article to its name is silly (and I've heard that it was motivated by a desire to separate themselves from Ohio University) it does seem to have been effective. I don't know what metrics we'd use to measure this and make a decision and I also imagine that it would be very difficult in this instance since the article is so commonly used anyway but it might be worth looking into this. ElKevbo (talk) 17:30, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Interesting historical trivia courtesy of The Chronicle of Higher Education (who have "The" in the their article title!): "Ohio State wants the exclusive right to sell T-shirts, baseball caps, hats, and more emblazoned with 'THE,' a word that has preceded the university name since 1878, when the Board of Trustees noted in meeting minutes that 'the educational institution heretofore known as the 'Ohio Agricultural and Mechanical College' shall be known and designated hereafter as 'The Ohio State University.'' The university’s president at the time, Edward Orton, believed 'THE' would separate the institution from Ohio's other universities." ElKevbo (talk) 19:34, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
• Comment. WP:THEUNI states "A definite article should be applied only if The is used in running text throughout university materials and if that usage has caught on elsewhere." The first part is easy: all university materials thorughout use "the". The university even feels so strong about this that they tried to trademark the word "THE" (just do a Google search for "The Ohio State University"). For the second part, the guideline advises the use of a Google search, which indeed shows not universal, but widespread usage of "the" as part of the name in non-university related sources. Hence, the main article should be renamed, not all the other ones. --Randykitty (talk) 17:26, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
  • WP:THEUNI doesn't apply in this case. It only applies to colleges and universities that are in the format "the University of X" or "the College of X", not "X State University". Rreagan007 (talk) 00:17, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
    • No it doesn't. Where did you infer that bit of information? WP:THEUNI says that: On the other hand, some universities only refer to themselves as "The University of X", even in running text (e.g. The College of New Jersey). If such usage is prevalent on university press releases and press kits, contact information, "about" pages, and internal department websites, and it is reasonably common in external sources (try a Google search), then it is more appropriate to name the Wikipedia article The University of X. That appears to apply precisely to this case.--JOJ ^Hutton 02:13, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
      • It doesn't apply because the name of this school isn't "The University of Ohio State". Rreagan007 (talk) 05:07, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
  • WP:THE is not just a matter of whether "the" usage has somewhat caught on, but also a matter of "If the definite or indefinite article would be capitalized in running text" (emphasis added). Note that WP:THEUNI refers to "The" rather than "the". I doubt that very many independent sources would capitalize the "The" in running text for this topic. (And I suspect that most independent sources wouldn't even include "the" at all.) —BarrelProof (talk) 04:04, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

• Comment I don't know if it's completely relevant and what it would mean for any of us but it's worth noting that the university is attempting to register the article "The" as a trademark. ElKevbo (talk) 17:30, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

• Support. No reason to suspend WP:THE for a non-idiomatic stylisation in these cases. —  AjaxSmack  00:12, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
• Support, unless we style them all "THE Ohio State University." Seriously, I realize that the school's official name is The Ohio State University, and every single alumnus/a emphasizes the "the" when they say it, but the rest of the world just calls it "Ohio State University" (or just "Ohio State") and apparently no one gets confused. We don't title the article "The United States of America". We use the WP:COMMONNAME, not WP:OFFICIALNAME. CThomas³ (talk) 00:57, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
• Support. We use common names, not official ones. Calidum 12:07, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

• Comment: Actually, often we don't and stick to the official name. United States of America is an excellent example. In normal usage, that simply is "United States" or "US" or even just "America". Even the US government itself uses "United States". Yet our article is at United States of America. --Randykitty (talk) 16:16, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

• United States of America is a redirect to United States. Just like United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a redirect to United Kingdom. Calidum 17:53, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

• :-DD Sjeez, how did I miss that... Need a better example... --Randykitty (talk) 18:06, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

• Support per all these good reasons, plus WP:CONCISE Red Slash 17:46, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.