Talk:Oriole Mine

Requested move 11 December 2020

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The result of the move request was: Page moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm (talk) 06:26, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

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Oriole, Kentucky → Oriole Mine – Aside from the GNIS entry of a "populated place", which can be pretty dodgy at times (see WP:GNIS), the sourcing focuses on this as a mine. In fact, the AFD brought up mostly just sources about the mine, and there's not much to demonstrate a community here. The focus of the article is the mine, and the claim to notability is mostly through the mine. So it seems to me that the article should be titled for the mine. Pinging the registered participants from the AFD - @TheCatalyst31, The Ace in Spades, Mangoe, FOARP, Editorofthewiki, Reywas92, Concertmusic, JPxG, and Otr500:. Hog Farm _Bacon 05:52, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Support All sources refer to mine, no sources establish a community and topo maps do not show any concentration of buildings. Reywas92^Talk 05:57, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support: GNIS (the 1st source), as mentioned above, has many errors. The article is about a mine. Unless information is brought forth indicating some form of community it is not correct to call it as such. Otr500 (talk) 07:06, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support: I think the mine is still a WP:GNG pass based on the regional/state/national-level journal articles about the safety of the mine (particularly roof-bolting). GNIS is the only source for an actual community there. The Mott The Hoople song merely indicates, at best, that there was somewhere called Oriole, which Harris (a prominent music journalist, so I wouldn't totally discount) gives as Oriole in Kentucky, to which a guitar might accidentally be delivered. I still think it quite possible that there was a community there (it was apparently common practice for mines in the Western Kentucky field to provide housing for their workforce in a concentrated community, see, for example Fies, Kentucky, where we have a source describing exactly that, though the mine there might well still be the primary topic) but we have no other source but GNIS saying so, and GNIS can't sustain notability.

As well as Fies, Kentucky, in Hopkins county probably Daniel Boone, Kentucky might also need looking at from this perspective, as the mine appears to be the primary topic. Ilsley, Kentucky is an odd one because there appears to have been an act of incorporation passed - or was there? Hecla, Kentucky and Sixth Vein, Kentucky may also be WP:GNG fails. FOARP (talk) 09:22, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support per the cogent discussion above and the discussion during AfD.--Concertmusic (talk) 15:24, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Support: Everyone else is doing it Per intelligent reasoning above, yada yada. jp×g 20:02, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support All the sources I found in the AfD called it a mine, and while a lot of mines had associated company towns, there doesn't seem to be any proof of that in this case. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 01:49, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

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