Talk:Otto Meissner

Nuremberg conviction?

He's currently in Category:People convicted by the United States Nuremberg Military Tribunals. But the only one of the Nuremberg trials in which he was a defendant was the Ministries Trial, in which he was acquitted. The article does say he was "adjudged a fellow traveler" in Munich in 1949, but there was no Nuremberg Military Tribunal in Munich in 1949, so this must have rather been part of the more general denazification process. So I'm removing the category pending further information. --Delirium (talk) 15:45, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Move Non-controversial move request. Alpha_Quadrant ^(talk) 01:14, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

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Otto Meißner → Otto Meissner – Pretty sure we use "ss" instead of "ß" generally, e.g Gregor Strasser etc. etc. Current title likely to be read as "Meibner" by many readers, and as "ß" tracks perfectly to "ss" there's no downside. Couldn't find any clear guidance, this: Wikipedia:German-speaking Wikipedians' notice board/Umlaut and ß has some real-world examples, some guidance here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Germany/Conventions but that is just a proposal. Have not seen "ß" used in any titles before, I don't think. Herostratus (talk) 08:27, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

• Comment if the Nuremburg Trials transcripts write it that way, then I'll support it. 70.24.248.23 (talk) 11:35, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
  • Their report uses Meissner, here. Our convention is to use what English sources use, which can be either ss (as in Meissen) or ß, but not everybody is happy with that. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 04:36, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
    • So, I support the move, since the Nuremburg trial used it. 70.24.248.23 (talk) 05:03, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Comment: Actually, ß is used pretty widely in article titles, so that side of the argument doesn't work, nor does the unverifiable "Meibner" supposition. Although "ß" maps to "ss", the reverse isn't necessarily true, such that using "ß" is marginally more informative than "ss" (following the latest German spelling reforms, it reveals the length of the preceding vowel). The argument needs to be based on actual usage, bearing in mind any technical limitations (did the typewriters used at the Nuremberg trials even have a ß character they could have used instead?). I'm not saying that I favour or disfavour a move, but the arguments presented here are irrelevant. --Stemonitis (talk) 14:22, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

And we should include a note on the German spelling in the first line, to preserve that information; a source would be nice. (An proper name, especially from Alsace, is not guaranteed to follow the normal German spelling conventions; compare Emmy Noether.) Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:14, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

• Support His surname was Meissner, as shown in handwriting from 1940. (See also the German Wikipedia's article about "Otto Meissner".) This looks like a simple correction of an error in fact, I don't think we really need the full RM process for this. --Noren (talk) 04:13, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
• Support because his name is spelled with ss on the German Wikipedia. MTC (talk) 08:02, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

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