Feedback from New Page Review process

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I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Thanks for creating the article!.

✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 03:44, 28 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 18 December 2022

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Tol (talk | contribs) @ 02:15, 25 December 2022 (UTC)Reply


P-22 (mountain lion)P-22 – Per WP:SMALLDETAILS, this seems to be the primary topic for "P-22" (rather than "P22" or any other variation). -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 07:51, 18 December 2022 (UTC)Reply


The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

LA TIMES ARTICLE & OTHERS LIKE IT

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could someone PLEASE remove the article referenced from the LA Times? i'm not enough of an editor to go in & make the changes regarding that particular article. all references should be accessible without asking for payment to read the article. my understanding of wiki, is, anything used as a reference, etc., cannot request payment for their 'product'. this is exactly what's going on when the LA Times requests you purchase a subscription to read the referenced article, as well as a number of other *newspapers*, which includes the Washington Post and the NY Times. there are plenty of FREE websites/pages to access and add an article as a reference, without abusing any copywrites. i was able to access 3 different websites with 5 different stories regarding P-22s recent life and death in the past week or so. three from the NY Post, one from NPR/WHYY & one from Calif Fish & Wildlife website. the last 2 website articles should have been used instead. ~~bratdeneen~~ 2601:47:102:1220:5DB1:5FEE:2DF:60CE (talk) 08:02, 18 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

Paywalled sources are allowed. Please see WP:PAYWALL. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 08:18, 18 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
You can bypass it, and just because you can't view it doesn't mean we should remove it, especially since they're reliable sources. reppoptalk 21:43, 18 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

Moving the Name section to a note

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I moved the Name section to a note in the In Los Angeles section. It's good information but each of the included sentences seems better suited for a note. The first is about the numbering scheme in the NPS puma study, which is about the study not P-22. The second is about a KPCC poll which is interesting but (1) KPCC didn't really have any authority to change the name and (2) the conclusion was to not change its name, so including it in the body text is akin to including something like, "some people thought of clever names and cat puns." Noting here in case there are disagreements. - Procyonidae (talk) 18:17, 18 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

The famous (copyrighted) picture of him

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The 2013 picture of P-22 with the Hollywood Sign, taken by Steve Winter for National Geographic, is absolutely iconic and famous. It's also copyrighted. I'm trying to argue it's fair use. It can be minimized by not being the infobox image, but it is famous and a key part of P-22's story.

  • Sources calling it "iconic":
  • Sources saying the photo is integral to P-22's fame.

Eievie (talk) 19:26, 19 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

idk about the fair use case re: copyright but maybe someone at nat geo would release the image for posting -- 64.183.43.127 (talk) 01:20, 22 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
The Los Angeles Public Library issued a special edition P-22 library card that uses the Steve Winter photo. Could a photo of someone's library card be considered fair use for this page, e.g. in the legacy section? It might fall under Commons:Derivative works but just pasting the LAPL logo on top and printing it on a plastic card might not be "containing sufficient new, creative content". - Procyonidae (talk) 20:17, 22 February 2023 (UTC)Reply