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Semi-protected edit request on 31 August 2023
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Under Palmer_Report#2018–present there's just some generic link, which is odd considering this exists. So, replace the former link with the latter? I find the whole paragraph to be odd, though, because it seems to be implying that a "Mexican and Jewish descent" person can't possibly ever be such a person (see Enrique Tarrio), and its ref is to something her husband said... which can't possibly ever be a reliable source... and then it's further critiqued by... David Harsanyi, a conservative (despite not being said here, only at his page). He's comparing the claim to something someone (Jones) would say (among others, that child victims of mass shootings are crisis actors, which was repudiated in court)... this is about something which even the ADL (despite its partisanship) lists as an actual symbol (as, indeed, this says... and if it doesn't exist why does this site have that? This ref btw is oddly listed as WaPo... also, not sure about its general reliability as a site, but in that specific article it seems to be wrong about ADL not listing it as a symbol... it does, but in a nuanced way due to its historic usage, and the context with Zina has certainly nothing to do with underwater sea diving) - overall, it seems to be a bizarre, unreliable paragraph, which is odd considering how the article is generally about fake stuff (not commenting about that, but this specific paragraph is clearly the weakest as outlined above...) 78.151.20.166 (talk) 15:17, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
- I don't think we should change the link, as we prefer to link articles over disambiguation pages. I have no thoughts on the rest, except to say that it's ripe for discussion rather than an edit request. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:03, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
- Maybe this, then. Point is the paragraph is implying it doesn't even exist, which is odd considering it's literally listed on another article.... 78.151.20.166 (talk) 16:08, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
- It's not mentioned there and I think that link would lead readers to believe it's only the ADL that sees it that way. How about OK gesture# White power symbol? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:12, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, that would be even more explanatory (but, really, the whole paragraph should be re-written in my opinion, for the reasons listed above...) 78.151.20.166 (talk) 16:17, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
- I changed the link. Happy to see discussion continue on the rest. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:20, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, that would be even more explanatory (but, really, the whole paragraph should be re-written in my opinion, for the reasons listed above...) 78.151.20.166 (talk) 16:17, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
- It's not mentioned there and I think that link would lead readers to believe it's only the ADL that sees it that way. How about OK gesture# White power symbol? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:12, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
- Maybe this, then. Point is the paragraph is implying it doesn't even exist, which is odd considering it's literally listed on another article.... 78.151.20.166 (talk) 16:08, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
- On "oddly listed as WaPo", that is because it came from there, the article says so. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:28, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 29 February 2024
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The description of the subject as a "fake news" site is not an objective description. It is extremely biased and is verbiage associated with a very specific political ideology, thus is a dog whistle. While the Palmer Report isn't always accurate and factual, that should be elucidated versus slapping a derisive label on it. 64.98.70.218 (talk) 22:38, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}}template. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:53, 29 February 2024 (UTC)- Here's an idea, non?
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- Breitbart News Network (known commonly as Breitbart News, Breitbart, or Breitbart.com) is an American far-right[5] syndicated news, opinion, and commentary[6][7] website founded in mid-2007 by American conservative commentator Andrew Breitbart. Its content has been described as misogynistic, xenophobic, and racist by academics and journalists.[8] The site has published a number of conspiracy theories[9][10] and intentionally misleading stories.[11][12] Posts originating from the Breitbart News Facebook page are among the most widely shared political content on Facebook.[13][14][15][16] ChuckM6421 (talk) 18:49, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- You may or may not find this relevant for this discussion:[1]. If you are indicating that the WP:LEAD of a WP-article about a different website does not have the "fake news" wording, see WP:OTHERCONTENT. If you consider the lead at Breitbart News badly written, you can discuss it at Talk:Breitbart News. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:43, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'm in no way supporting Brietbart. Simply putting forth an example of how another "news" site, with a similar but opposing bias, is presented here on WP. I was put off by the "fake news" term as used here, whether it's true or not, and I'm in no way supporting the site this article's about. ChuckM6421 (talk) 20:44, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- You may or may not find this relevant for this discussion:[1]. If you are indicating that the WP:LEAD of a WP-article about a different website does not have the "fake news" wording, see WP:OTHERCONTENT. If you consider the lead at Breitbart News badly written, you can discuss it at Talk:Breitbart News. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:43, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
Reevaluate this article
editThis biased article is clearly using the term “fake news” incorrectly. There is no basis for calling it fake news. Articles may be ultra-liberal but there are no fabricated stories similar to the way Fox News or NewsMax fabricates stories. This article should be unlocked to set the record straight. The references for deeming the site fake news are themselves just fabricated and based on conservative and biased opinion. Ndelsangro (talk) 21:02, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Can you be more specific as to which references have been fabricated? Chetsford (talk) 04:23, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Why, on WP, do you see [2] as "no basis"? And if you are right, and all those are "just fabricated", then the conspiracy against you is massive and everyone you encounter online outside the PR comment section is probably part of it. And probably some of the people in there, too. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:43, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
It is confusing to new readers for Wikipedia to claim Palmer Report is a fake news site. I think it is time for a new survey. A 2018 survey is very old news. Certainly the writers on the site get a little extreme in some comments and the site is a liberal commentary site. I have been reading the site for more than 5 years and find most information to be supported by other media and actual news articles from many sources very trusted in media. The information I see on Wikipedia about Palmer Report appears to be originated from conservative trolls. It does not reflect well on Wikipedia to publish all of their opinions when we know there is little factual data in anything stated by conservatives and their opinions are actually more atrocious than anything I have ever found on Palmer Report. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Badger1877 (talk • contribs)
- So you looked at [3] and your conclusion was "that's a 2018 survey by conservative trolls." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:53, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Talk
editCan I say some thing 174.202.3.207 (talk) 06:47, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Apparently. If it helps, at the top of this page it says "This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Palmer Report article." There is also a Frequently asked questions section up there. Unless you're on a laptop, or in desktop view on your device, you might have to tap "Learn more about this page" to see it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:21, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 14 November 2024
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This entry needs a complete rewrite. It is an obvious hit job, not an unbiased review of Palmer Report. Calling it a "liberal fake news website"? Palmer Report mainly editorializes about reports from established news media, it doesn't "make up" stories. Gregg L Davis (talk) 06:17, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 21:26, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
