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"related groups" info removed from infobox
editFor dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all {{Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 23:13, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
numbers
editDoes any one knows the exact number of pamiris, especially in tajikistan? 900000 is way too much. --Babakexorramdin (talk) 22:40, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Pashto and Persian
editWhy should we add Pashto or Persian when Pamiri has a written script and when Pamiri is a Pamiri term. I added Persian Tajik because since the name of the article is not Tajik language but Persian Tajik.--Inuit18 (talk) 06:23, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
I added Persian and Tajik because Pamiris are culturally closer to Tajiks than to any other ethnic group.--Inuit18 (talk) 06:24, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
Ismailism
edithttp://books.google.com/books?id=pCiNqFj3MQsC&pg=PA634#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=pCiNqFj3MQsC&pg=PA635#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=B9m-hrsrtfYC&pg=PA401#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=sJpH_54CDHQC&pg=PA190#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=NFSYcyJULK0C&pg=PA4#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=Z5Fuk62X7K4C&pg=PA560#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=ck7j26KuoKcC&pg=PA180#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=MCacfWlXWjIC&pg=PA46#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=ZLhZAAAAYAAJ&q=Pamiri#search_anchor
http://books.google.com/books?id=2mi7NAOxe-8C&pg=PA57#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=CkZMU9srK7IC&pg=PA29#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=dF4p6OBxv0wC&pg=PA78#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=x5J9rn8p2-IC&pg=PA58#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=lh8nAQAAIAAJ&q=Pamiris#search_anchor
http://books.google.com/books?id=SOIeAQAAIAAJ&q=Pamiri#search_anchor
http://books.google.com/books?id=x7bPw7b9WNcC&pg=PA232#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=iHaPx4cBCN4C&pg=PR10#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=iHaPx4cBCN4C&pg=PA182#v=onepage&q&f=false http://books.google.com/books?id=f0hoyExrJEcC&pg=PA163#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=iHaPx4cBCN4C&pg=PA153#v=onepage&q&f=false http://books.google.com/books?id=f0hoyExrJEcC&pg=PA192#v=onepage&q&f=false http://books.google.com/books?id=f0hoyExrJEcC&pg=PA197#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=i8H2pAlDIKIC&pg=PA68#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=B9m-hrsrtfYC&pg=PA406#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=lc0YAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA197#v=onepage&q&f=false
Kuoofra (talk) 20:28, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
Galcha
https://archive.org/search.php?query=Charles%20Kuhn
https://archive.org/details/AJourneyOfExplorationInKohistan
https://archive.org/stream/cu31924006564920/cu31924006564920_djvu.txt
https://archive.org/stream/livingracesofman01john/livingracesofman01john_djvu.txt
https://archive.org/stream/ethnologyintwop01keangoog/ethnologyintwop01keangoog_djvu.txt
https://archive.org/stream/afghanistan01hami/afghanistan01hami_djvu.txt
https://archive.org/stream/duabofturkestanp00rick/duabofturkestanp00rick_djvu.txt
https://archive.org/stream/journalroyalasi59irelgoog/journalroyalasi59irelgoog_djvu.txt
https://archive.org/stream/supplementarypa01britgoog/supplementarypa01britgoog_djvu.txt
http://archive.org/stream/scottishgeograph01scotuoft/scottishgeograph01scotuoft_djvu.txt
https://archive.org/stream/ruinsofdesertcat01stei/ruinsofdesertcat01stei_djvu.txt
http://archive.org/stream/journalroyalasi35irelgoog/journalroyalasi35irelgoog_djvu.txt
https://archive.org/stream/essaisdemytholo00gheygoog/essaisdemytholo00gheygoog_djvu.txt
https://archive.org/stream/explorationsint01pumpgoog/explorationsint01pumpgoog_djvu.txt
https://archive.org/stream/civilizationeas00geiggoog/civilizationeas00geiggoog_djvu.txt
https://archive.org/details/AJourneyOfExplorationInKohistan
https://archive.org/stream/civilizationeas00geiggoog/civilizationeas00geiggoog_djvu.txt
https://archive.org/stream/contributionstoa291fiel/contributionstoa291fiel_djvu.txt
- Ole Olufsen: "The second Danish Pamir-Expedition: old and new architecture in Khiva, Bokhara, and Turkestan" (Copenhagen 1904) [1]
- Ole Olufsen: "Through the unknown Pamirs" (London 1904) [2]
- Ole Olufsen: "Through the Pamir (Vakhan and Garan)" (London 1904)
- Ole Olufsen: "Old and new Architecture in Khiva, Bokhara and Turkestan" (København 1904),
- O. Olufsen: "Tibet" (Geografisk Tidsskrift, Bind 18; 1905)
- Ole Olufsen: "A Vocabulary of the Dialect of Bokhara" (København 1905)[3]
- O. Olufsen (anmeldelse af: Western Tibet and the british Borderland; London 1906, i: Geografisk Tidsskrift, Bind 18; 1905)
- Ole Olufsen:(Geografisk Tidsskrift, Bind 19; 1908)
- Ole Olufsen: "The Emir of Bokhara and his Country" (København 1911). [4] [5]
Shighni (ghalchah) dialect
http://books.google.com/books?id=JL4IAAAAQAAJ
http://books.google.com/books?id=up2jpwAACAAJ&source=gbs_book_other_versions
http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/afghanistan-v-languages
http://books.google.com/books?id=qtcmm6N6LPYC&pg=PA234#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=qtcmm6N6LPYC&pg=PA236#v=onepage&q&f=false http://books.google.com/books?id=qtcmm6N6LPYC&pg=PA237#v=onepage&q&f=false
On the Shighni (Ghalchah) Dialect By Robert Shaw
http://books.google.com/books?id=JL4IAAAAQAAJ
http://books.google.com/books?id=up2jpwAACAAJ&source=gbs_book_other_versions
On the Ghalchah languages (Wakhand Sarikol (1876)
https://archive.org/details/onghalchahlangua00shaw
Not visible
Title The Languages Spoken in the Western Pamir Shugnan and Vakhan Authors Anton Eliot Hjuler, Ole Olufsen Published 1912
http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Languages_Spoken_in_the_Western_Pami.html?id=qya9QAAACAAJ
Title The Languages Spoken in the Western Pamir (Shugnan and Vakhan) Author Axel Hjuler Publisher Nordisk forlag, 1912 Length 47 pages
http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Languages_Spoken_in_the_Western_Pami.html?id=S0pFtwAACAAJ
http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Languages_Spoken_in_the_Western_Pami.html?id=gRQPnQEACAAJ
Title The Languages Spoken in the Western Pamir, Shugnan and Vakhan. [With a Map.]. Author Anton Eliot HJULER Published 1912 Length 47 pages
http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Languages_Spoken_in_the_Western_Pami.html?id=JktwmgEACAAJ
Title The Languages Spoken in the Western Pamir: (Shugnan and Vakhan) Author Anton Hjuler Contributor Danish Pamir-Expedition Publisher Gyldendalske Boghandel, 1912 Length 47 pages
http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Languages_Spoken_in_the_Western_Pami.html?id=RtQxnQEACAAJ
Title The Languages Spoken in the Western Pamir (Shugnan and Vakhan): The Second Danish Pamir-Expedition Conducted by O. Olufsen Author A. Hjuler Publisher Gyldendal, 1912 Length 47 pages
http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Languages_Spoken_in_the_Western_Pami.html?id=zUDYoAEACAAJ
Mentioned in
https://archive.org/details/jstor-199022
Libraries
http://www.nb.no/nbsok/nb/0ef00a689257ae6919a9311c9824599a
http://ci.nii.ac.jp/ncid/BA59200569
http://webcatplus.nii.ac.jp/webcatplus/details/book/9048235.html
Pamiris in contemporary tajikistan
edithttps://books.google.com/books?id=qM-WAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA113#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=3coojMwTKU8C&pg=PA5#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=mC9RsIYy8m8C&pg=PA6#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=hLi9oJMT5B8C&pg=PA43#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=sksHTSbSwGMC&pg=PA25#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=NYszJtC66FAC&pg=PA212#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=xMzKldghelgC&pg=PA124#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=lA606koL3EQC&pg=PA982#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=bspq1CxhO0cC&pg=PA141#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=mC9RsIYy8m8C&pg=PA129#v=onepage&q&f=false
Tashkurgan and Yarkent
http://www.i-m.co/Zuhal/tjtravelguide/
http://pamirs.org/culture_and_religion.htm
http://pamirs.org/historical%20photos.htm
http://pamirs.org/photogallery.htm
http://pamirs.org/pamiri%20house.htm
http://pamirs.org/children.htm
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http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/visions-of-earth/visions-earth-2012
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/visions-of-earth/visions-earth-2012#/
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/visions-of-earth/Visions_of_Earth_0212.xml
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/visions-of-earth/Visions_of_Earth_0412.xml
Anti-Russian sentiment among Sarikoli (Tajiks of Xinjiang) in 1900
editIn response to increased Tsarist Russian activity in Sarikol around 1900, the local Sarikoli begs and Sarikoli people feared that Russia was going to annex the region and take it away from China, fearing molestation at the hands of the Russians, they wanted to flee to Yarkand. They did not believe the official explanation that Russia was only concerned with the postal service in the area.
Localities
editSaladin1987 added this statement about Gojal and I subsequently removed it because it was not sourced. On my talk page, Saladin1987 then provided this and this in support of their edit.
The first of those links is the Gojal Educational and Cultural Association. As a general rule, we should avoid caste/tribal-affiliated websites, as this one certainly is, because they are only reliable for statements about themselves, not the people whom they claim to represent. Even how they define a region, such as Pamir, is often subjective.
The second link is a report of the activities of the aforementioned Association and, perhaps not surprisingly, seems to use stuff from the Association's website without even acknowledging the source. The strapline is "Pamir Times - Voices of Mountain Communities.". I've no idea whether it is reliable or not but I think it would be far more useful if you found an less populist source, such as something from academia. - Sitush (talk) 05:39, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- How useful would this be? - Sitush (talk) 06:14, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
yes sitush by looking at your link, it clearly indicates their location in Pakistan in gojal so it should be mentioned along with xinjiang province of china in the start up line i thinkSaladin1987 22:03, 16 July 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saladin1987 (talk • contribs)
- That wasn't my question. And even if acceptable as a source, it is not quite a straightforward as you suggest because the Gojal thing is almost as an enclave. I'd be surprised if there weren't some Pamiri people in, say, London but we wouldn't mention it in the manner that you propose. At best, there is a significant cluster in Gojal, just as there is a significant cluster of Jewish people in Manchester. - Sitush (talk) 06:15, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
no jewish people living in america are not living in their home.. But pamiri people i.e Wakhi people live in Gujal and they are called gojalis, even badakshan in history was called gojal. also the ammount of pamiris living in pakistan are more than that of Afghanistan.. so i think gojal is to be included. over here i am not trying to put some foreign nationality of ethnic group in pakistan, gojalis are part of pakistani ethnic groups as mentioned here Wakhi people. We need to include gojal and xinjiang. I would appreicate if you could enter these too as you know what i am saying is facts like pakistan is an independant country . i am not asking you to put a tajik town in PAkistan rather i am asking to put pakistani ethnic group i.e Wakhi in pamiri people page through their location — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saladin1987 (talk • contribs) 13:23, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
I have added ethnic groups in Pakistan category in the article. Hope you dont have any issue with that as its a fact and is also mentioned in the articleSaladin1987 13:26, 18 July 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saladin1987 (talk • contribs)
- I might have an issue with it. That's why if you are in doubt - as clearly you are - then you should discuss first. I'm not going to pander to Pakistani POV pushing or, indeed, any other sort. I asked a question and neither you nor anyone else has yet responded. There was a reason for asking it: the author's credentials are not the greatest I've ever seen. What you have done is produced a lot of claims about population etc that are not sourced and also a contradictory argument relating to homelands and ethnic groups. - Sitush (talk) 16:35, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
Hunza and Kalash are the Pamir people
editPeople of Hunza and Kalash are the Pamir people, as well as the Pamirs, living in Xinjiang District of China. All of them, as well as the Pamirs, living in Tajik and Afgan Badakhshan profess the same religion - Ismailism! Finally, compare the numerous pictures of people of Hunza, Kalash, Xinjiang and Badakhshan's Pamirs, is the same person that speaks of the same people! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.9.137.125 (talk) 20:55, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
Requested move 5 May 2015
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The result of the move request was: moved. Number 57 13:15, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
Pamiri people → Pamiris – "Pamiris" is, by far, the WP:COMMONNAME to be used for these people per Ngram. "Pamiris" is an unambiguous and plural demonym. Per WP:ETHNICGROUP#Ethnic groups. And it is more WP:CONCISE than "Pamiri people". Per Koreans, Tajiks, Pashtuns, Germans, Swedes, Russians, Serbians, and many other titles of similar articles. "Pamiris" is the optimal title for this article. Khestwol (talk) 06:56, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
- Support per nom GregKaye 10:20, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
- SUPPORT per above. Khestwol (talk) 11:11, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
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