Talk:Pawan Kalyan

Konidela Kalyan Babu name source for Babu

@Ab207:, @DareshMohan, @Kailash29792:, @DaxServer: Can someone please tell from where do we have sources with birth name as Babu ? and why are we finding it extremely difficult to understand that popular names published in sources which are mirroring wikipedia articles. Babu is a nick name in Telugu as in Sobhan Babu, and Mohan Babu. Why are we illogically mixing screen names as credited in titles with birth names.

Fostera12 (talk) 02:48, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

@Fostera12 The source is cited in the infobox.

He was credited with his birthname Konidela Kalyan Babu in his debut film. Then changed his name to Pawan Kalyan from the second film onwards. -- Ab207 (talk) 17:14, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

@Ab207:. In his debut film, He was credited in the titles as just Kalyan, not kalyan babu. There is no babu in credits. I just checked. This issue is not about Pawan Kalyan, this we all know. This issue is about Babu. And I request you not to indulge in edit war without consensus from other editors, as there is no source on babu. The source you are talking about is related to birth details.

Fostera12 (talk) 16:08, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

@Fostera12 Kindly check the source again. I clearly says "The actor's original name is Konidela Kalyan Babu but he changed his name to Pawan Kalyan." That should be enough unless you can provide a better source to prove your point. Regards -- Ab207 (talk) 17:01, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

That is mirroring of wikipedia yaar, we cant accept that Fostera12 (talk) 17:02, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

But this issue is plain mirroring of wikipedia, and Babu is not part of birth names in Mahesh Babu, and Pawan Kalyan, and this is a fact. There is no involvement from other editors doesn't make your point agreeable. There is no source for their birth names. This is a fact. The source is wrong. Fostera12 (talk) 17:14, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

@Fostera12 There are Telugu sources as well which don't mirror Wikipedia. You cannot simply call a source wrong without better sources. -- Ab207 (talk) 17:17, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

@Fostera12, @Ab207 Is this issue resolved? Does the birth name include Babu in it or not? L5boat (talk) 11:29, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

His mother conformed his birth name as Kalyan Kumar in a recent interview. The issue should now be considered as settled. Furthermore, he was also credited as Kalyan Kumar in Rudraveena (1988) which he co-produced before his acting debut. L5boat (talk) 11:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

August 2024

Hi @L5boat, words like superstardom, enormous and blockbuster hits doesn't seem to be neutral especially when placing them in the section headers. This seems like promotion of the subject of the article and need other verifiable sources for the purpose. In any way a Biography of a living person on Wikipedia must be neutral and the present version suits the best. Additionally, it is to inform that you have placed the content more thrice and rv the subsequent reverts. Please avoid doing that and instead discuss here. Thank you 456legendtalk 10:01, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Those are the exact words used in the cited sources. Gabbar Singh was the second highest-grossing Telugu film at the time, and Attarintiki Daredi was the biggest hit in Telugu cinema at the time. Calling them blockbusters would be an understatement.

It is written in a neutral point of view. That's why it includes phrases like 'career fluctuations' and 'setback.'

@ User:456legend "Can you explain how '2014–present: Career expansion and recent work' is an apt title for the section? That entire part talks about how he's managing both movies and leading a political party. A significant portion of it deals with how his political career affected the box office performance of his films. In what world is 'Balancing acting and political aspirations' not the right title for that phase of his career?" And how is 'Career expansion' an apt title when there hasn’t been any expansion of his acting career during that period? L5boat (talk) 10:23, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Firstly, you reverted the changes, stating, Rv to status quo till discussion is complete on talk page. This isn't accurate, as the headers in question were added by you during cleanup, rather than being part of the status quo. These headers introduce content that is in direct conflict.

Additionally, you've exceeded the three-revert rule but continue to revert the same content.

Putting that aside, you've carefully asked me to justify on one header of contention rather than you yourself, addressing the actual point of contention. To clarify, He enjoys a substantial fanbase across the Telugu states, often described as "unfathomable," "fiercely loyal," and a "cult following" is more appropriate than He commands an enormous fanbase across the Telugu states, widely regarded as "unfathomable," "fiercely loyal," and akin to a "cult following." While you later changed enormous to vast, this still isn't satisfactory. The words "widely regarded" and "vast" carry different connotations and could be seen as weasel words. Even though there are sources to substantiate the terms "unfathomable," "fiercely loyal," and akin to a "cult following," I don't believe "widely" or "vast" are appropriate.

Secondly, the phrase Success and established actor clearly indicates his rise to success and establishment as an actor. It objectively states that the individual has achieved success and recognition in the acting field. There's no need to change this to Success streak and superstardom which sounds promotional and possibly exaggerated, highly subjective term that implies a level of fame that may not be universally accepted or verifiable and may not be suitable for a biography.

Your argument that It is written in a neutral point of view. That's why it includes phrases like 'career fluctuations' and 'setback,' doesn't adequately address the reasoning for the rest of the content. Mentioning the subject's downfalls alone at one point in the article doesn't ensure neutrality. The tone must be neutral when discussing both positive and negative aspects. I would have raised concerns if these terms defamed the subject, as biographies should neither defame nor promote the subject, maintaining a neutral perspective.

Regarding the section title 2014–present: Career expansion and recent work, it's appropriately placed under the acting career section. I don't think 2014–present: Balancing acting and political aspirations is suitable, as it subtly implies that managing both careers requires effort or skill, introducing a non-neutral implication. Additionally, the term aspirations in the header suggests that the subject is pursuing something, which could promote the subject's pursuits to the readers.

Since you've re-added the content, I won't revert it again, even though I haven't exhausted my 3 reverts. Instead, I'll place a POV tag on the article until the issue is resolved. 456legendtalk 01:17, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

1. I have rewritten first one as "often described as" and "huge". The word "vast" was used because the cited articles and numerous other sources particularly mention that in Pawan Kalyan's biographies. For example,

″The movie success and mainly characters that are close to youngsters mindset of that time, helped Pawan Kalyan to become a star with huge craze separate from Megastar's enormous fanbase.″ - The Hans India

2. The phrase "success streak" and "superstardom" might seem promotional and subjective, implying a level of fame that may not be universally agreed upon or verifiable.

If you review the sources in that section, they all discuss Pawan Kalyan's continuous streak of six successful films and the massive following he acquired during that period. If there are claims suggesting otherwise, such as "no success streak" or "no massive following", it would be necessary to provide sources that dispute the well-documented evidence of his success and popularity, especially in comparison to his brother Chiranjeevi's fan base. The burden of proof lies with you to demonstrate that the claims of Pawan Kalyan's success streak and massive following are not supported by credible sources.

3. I have rewritten it as "Balancing acting with political career." That is the most suitable name for the section, as it describes that part of his career where he had to continue doing movies after entering politics. The entire section is focused on this aspect. There could be no more appropriate name for the section. If you oppose the word "Balancing," you can suggest an alternative. However, the section must include both acting and politics, as the main essence of that part of his career is his continuation of films while also being the head of a political party. This significantly interfered with his acting career, as detailed in the section. Any appropriate name for the section should reflect this. As for Career expansion, it is not a suitable name. What career expansion took place during that time? Were there any box office records or expansion of markets outside Telugu states? In fact, career expansion sounds promotional and exaggerated, especially when there is no career expansion of any sort. It is not only promotional, but also factually incorrect and misleading. L5boat (talk) 12:12, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Hey, is there a valid reason for removing the POV tag from the article? The discussion is still ongoing, and the issue hasn't been resolved yet. Neither you nor I have reached a consensus on this matter. 456legendtalk 22:25, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

I have already made changes in some of the sentences. The contention you have is over one/two headers which in themselves are supported by reliable secondary sources. There is no point in tagging an entire article for this. L5boat (talk) 03:58, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

I made some edits on headers. For 1998-2001, I edited it as Success streak and stardom as it conveys the essence of the body and it is not a subjective term to the extent that superstardom is.

For 2014–present period, it seems to me that Balancing acting with political career is a faithful description of the body's content. It doesn't feel promotional or exaggerated to me like the previous header. Reo kwon (talk) 08:03, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

I had never heard of Kalyan until today. But the blatant puffery in the article makes me wonder if there's something dodgy about him. Is that really the impression that you guys want to give? Maproom (talk) 07:07, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

@Maproom, the subject is definitely a film actor and politician with a substantial amount of recognition in his field and region but I doubt the use of the language in the article indicating promotion of the subject. It would be appropriate to review and rewrite some of the phrases to ensure neutrality. A copy edit or POV tag is appropriate at this point to invite neutrality in the language. 456legendtalk 09:14, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

He is a Telugu film star and the Deputy Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh. Of course, he would not be known in England. But he is very influential in his home state. For more information, you can refer to the sources cited in the article.Source 1, Source 2, Source 3

Semi-protected edit request on 18 September 2024

He was born in 1968, not 1971. Vkvedam (talk) 00:11, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Ravensfire (talk) 03:09, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Also, the 1971 date seems to be supported by good sources in the article. Ravensfire (talk) 03:09, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

deputy chief minister

@Bold 49.15.219.14 (talk) 12:23, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 November 2024

The date of birth of Deputy CM Shri Pawan Kalyan is 1968 and not 1971. It is even mentioned in his election affidavit. Please make the necessary change. 117.255.63.19 (talk) 07:31, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 16:39, 19 November 2024 (UTC)