Talk:Pelvic organ prolapse

Request for images

OMG pics plz 71.169.69.145 (talk) 13:37, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Mesh

Don't know why clarification was needed for the word mesh. It's a basic word: recommend you read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesh.

I removed a weird, unsourced and wrong-seeming bit in the "grading" section: "Also referred to as Vaginal Mesh, this synthetic fiber is used to keep babies safe from injury during pregnancy. It was created as a response to the high mortality rate babies in woman that had a wider vagina due to excess sexual intercourse." Leigh Honeywell (talk) 04:45, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Presently unhelpful, and duplicated, image

All those GA, Ap, Ba, etc., items in the illustration need explanation in the text, or the image is more confusing than anything else. It also shouldn't be used twice in the same article. This this article covers a range of condition, there is no need for the infobox to have an illustration.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  22:00, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Move of article

As seen with this link, Mbpippen moved the article away from "Female genital prolapse" to "Pelvic Organ Prolapse," stating, "This condition is internationally recognized as Pelvic Organ Prolapse (POP). The ICD uses genital prolapse, but women are told they have POP.http://c.ymcdn.com/sites/www.iuga...)."

Two things to keep in mind are WP:Common name and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Medicine-related articles#Article titles. And, of course, per WP:Article titles, we don't capitalize our titles throughout in cases like these.

I'll contact WP:Med about weighing in on this topic. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:29, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Capital letters are not needed in the article title. The Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists uses pelvic organ prolapse [1] as does Cochrane [2]. Drchriswilliams (talk) 23:45, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

agree w/ Drchriswilliams--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 11:22, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Agree no caps needed. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 12:30, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Not see in the ref to support the new title. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 13:00, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

So are you thinking we should move the article back, Doc James, or keep it titled Pelvic organ prolapse? I haven't yet done the WP:Google test on the terms. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:33, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

I do not have the internet access to figure it out right now. And thus also remain undecided. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 02:03, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Okay. We'll get back to this eventually. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 03:36, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Source

• 10.1016/j.ogc.2015.10.008

Barbara (WVS) ✐  ✉ 09:40, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Males

I noted that all the definitions of pelvic organ prolapse are in relation to the vagina. However, as far as I understand it is technically possible for many of these conditions to occur in men (e.g. rectocele after prostatectomy).

I noted that someone has added this hatnote to the top of the article:

For prolapse of pelvic organs in men, see Rectal prolapse.

Was there any source for this? This redirect is problematic:

It seems to me that rectal prolapse (prolapse of posterior pelvic compartment) is only 1 form of pelvic organ prolapse. It doesn't seem particularly logical that when females get rectal prolapse, it may be classified as a type of pelvic organ prolapse, however when men get rectal prolapse, it is not a type of pelvic organ prolapse? Rectocele in females is a type of pelvic organ prolapse, but rectocele in males is not? And so on. To put another way: prolapse of a pelvic organ in males is not considered under the term pelvic organ prolapse? Prolapse of a pelvic organ in females is considered a type of pelvic organ prolapse. Not logical.

Another thing, this redirect is not logically worded. The rectum is ONE organ in the pelvic cavity. There are other pelvic organs, for example the bladder, the sigmoid colon, and so on. It doesn't make sense to say "for prolapse of pelvic organs see rectal prolapse. The implication is that prolapse of any pelvic organ in a man is classed as rectal prolapse, even if the rectum is not the organ in question?

In other words, my question is: is it possible (although maybe less likely) for males to have pelvic organ prolapse? If reliable source can be found for this we should clarify with at least 1 sentence in the article even if it is a rare situation. I couldn't find any after a v quick search... all sources specify females or women. Moribundum (talk) 16:35, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

According so some "patient information" type sites: it is possible for males to get pelvic organ prolapse.[3] However, I can't find any scientific source to support this. Maybe such sites are not reliable.

It seems to me that if the exact definition of pelvic organ prolapse is "prolapse of pelvic organs into the vagina", then it is entirely accurate to say that males cannot get pelvic organ prolapse.

On the other hand, if the definition of pelvic organ prolapse is more general, and simply refers to "prolapse of pelvic organs from their normal position", then it would indeed be possible for males to get pelvic organ prolapse.

I found a consensus statement [4] by national colorectal societies of the USA, UK and Australia regarding standardization of terminology in pelvic floor problems. They define pelvic organ prolapse as:

"Pelvic organ prolapse is the descent of ≥1 of the anterior vaginal wall, posterior vaginal wall, uterus, cervix, or apex of the vagina (or vaginal cuff after hysterectomy). This can occur with or without concomitant rectal prolapse."

Since the definition unequivocally relates to the female reproductive system, I think this matter can be put to rest: It is not possible for men to get POP. It is unfortunate that this term became widespread in my opinion, because men have pelvic organs, and those organs may also prolapse. But prolapse of pelvic organs in men cannot be assigned this definition of pelvic organ prolapse.

There is however, the continuing problem with the wording of the hatnote redirect at the top of the article (see note above). I don't know how to fix it.