Talk:Orange clownfish

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Name

I have never heard of it referred to as Percula clownfish. The Amphiprion genus is usually referred to as clownfish or anemonefish, along with the entire family Pomacentridae. The only common names listed on www.itis.gov (Integrated Taxonomic Information System) are blackfinned clownfish, clown anemonefish, clownfish, and orange clownfish. No other fish is listed under the orange clownfish so I'm going to change the name if no one objects. If so I guess you can revert it back or discuss it more here. Esoxid (talk) 03:28, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I forgot I would have to make a new page with the common name. I cut and paste, but the history is not retained. I replaced the link on the clownfish page too. If anyone has any objections you can change it back, but I'm just trying to keep the standard common names.Esoxid (talk) 03:48, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Again, people keep changing it to True Percula. Is this an aquarists' term? I still believe it should be Orange Clownfish. Maybe there should be a redirect of True Percula to this page. Esoxid^t 04:23, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I have been a marine aquarist since 2002, and the names "percula" and "true percula" (the use of "true" to distinguish it from the similar "false percula", Amphiprion ocellaris) are dominant hobbyist terms in English for this species. I believe "orange clownfish" is not used because there are multiple orange clownfish species in the trade. For example, A. percula is referred to as "percula clown" in a 2003 hobbyist magazine article Lakshwadeep (talk) 04:33, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

The name should be Percula clownfish. No "true," just percula. A. ocellaris should be Ocellaris clownfish, not "common clownfish" (there are nearly 30 species of clowns, so this is ridiculous) or "false percula," as the fish is not attempting to impersonate another species. I have never heard A. percula referred to as "Orange Clownfish." It is also a silly common name, as many species of clownfish are orange. Common names are plentiful, easily changed, and meaningless, which is why the scientific porn are often used. In this case, the abundance of silly names such as "orange clownfish, false percula, common clown" etc. have led to the scientific name also being used as the common name for the sake of clarity.

I will attempt to locate and correct the name issue with the previous page, as well as switching the picture of A. ocellaris that is used here for one of an actual A. percula. CrisisRose (talk) 23:11, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

I requested that this page be renamed to the most used and accepted common name ("Percula clownfish") and the staff obliged. I did not request "True Percula" because A. ocellaris is no longer widely referred to as the "False Percula" and did not want to confuse the issue more than it already has been. The species are most commonly (and should be) referred to as "Percula clownfish" and "Ocellaris clownfish" respectively, as these are the clearest and most accurate common names. I also photographed one of my own A. percula specimens to replace the picture of A. ocellaris that was being used.CrisisRose (talk) 23:11, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

References

Collection permit increase

I emailed someone at the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority and got the numbers for collection permits. They are as follows:

Collection permits issued

Fiscal Year	Permits Issued
06/07	91
05/06	84
04/05	98
03/04	102
02/03	90
01/02	96
00/01	113

The woman I contacted told me a more detailed breakdown into categories could be investigated but would require fees and paperwork under the freedom of information act. These numbers don't seem significant enough to merit the sentence in the article about the numbers of permits in relation to the movie Finding Nemo. The information was sent to me from Margaret Stokes: (Margaret Stokes Permit Systems Manager Environmental Impact Management Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority

PO Box 1379 TOWNSVILLE QLD 4810

Tel: +61 7 4750 0872 Fax: +61 7 4772 6093) Esoxid^t 15:33, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

clown fish rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.48.236.179 (talk) 14:10, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved per consensus Tiggerjay (talk) 06:11, 25 April 2013 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

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Percula clownfish → Orange Clownfish – Encyclopedia of Life lists trusted common names, most under ITIS and FishBase. "Percula clownfish" may be a popular aquarist term, but the sources for trusted taxonomic information do not list it as a trusted, and commonly used name. Relisted. BDD (talk) 16:36, 17 April 2013 (UTC) Esoxid^t•contribs 18:20, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.

• Oppose inappropriate capitalization, but support Orange clownfish. Dicklyon (talk) 04:54, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Discussion

• (repeat comment)Encyclopedia of Life lists trusted common names, most under ITIS and FishBase. "Percula clownfish" may be a popular aquarist term, but the sources for trusted taxonomic information do not list it as a trusted, and commonly used name. Esoxid^t•contribs 18:20, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
• It should at least be Orange clownfish, per WP:NCCAPS. Only WikiProject Birds uses title casing, and that's controversial. --BDD (talk) 16:57, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

I was searching for those guidelines and only found them today for use in fishes WP:WikiProject_Fishes. So yes, that is the correct convention. Esoxid^t•contribs 22:36, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

• Also, I've reverted your good faith changing of the name within the body of the article. First, let the RM play out. We can change it if it's successful; there's no rush. You say you've never seen the current title in [scientific, presumably] literature, but here are some examples. --BDD (talk) 17:00, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

I had already edited it twice, and then decided to post the move request, so I didn't want to have several successive edits/reverts. Thank you for doing it instead. As for the name, the majority of the sources are in aquaculture related journals, books, or reports, compared to sources using orange clownfish, which is why I have never seen it used. They seem to be called just by species, by "clownfish," "orange clownfish," or it seems in aquaculture and ornamental trade as "percula clownfish," or "true percula." Esoxid^t•contribs 22:36, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it is a not uncommon but insidious method to propose a move and edit the article to reflect the move before the move has been decided. Insidious means "don't do it". Apteva (talk) 06:20, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

• Comment. A bit of history on the article (which I thought looked familiar): The article's title was originally "Percula clownfish"; in January 2008 Esoxid cut-and-paste-moved it to "Orange clownfish", a move that I had an admin fix up to preserve the article's history. It remained at the "Orange clownfish" title until a year ago, when another admin, responding to an "uncontroversial" RM request, moved it back to "Percula clownfish". Myself, I don't know which title is preferable. Deor (talk) 13:50, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Would it be preferred to simply move it to Amphiprion percula as to keep disputes to the common name within the talk page, rather than a disputed page move? It seems a redirect already exists. Esoxid^t•contribs 15:49, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Sigh. I really don't mean to be such a drag here, but WP:NCFAUNA is much less supportive of scientific names than WP:NCFLORA. I think we should stick with a common name, unless we can't find an unambiguous one (which doesn't seem to be the case). --BDD (talk) 16:28, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

• Comment It definitely shouldn't stay at "Percula clownfish". The aquarium trade is notorious for taxonomic inaccuracy when it comes to naming things. General policy at Wikiproject Fishes is to use the common name at Fishbase (unless there's some compelling reason not to), which would make it "Orange clownfish". Moving it to the scientific name would work too. -- Yzx (talk) 16:58, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
• Closing comment it appears clear from the discussion that has taken place that there is more support and rationale to move to Orange clownfish over keeping it's current title. I will request a G6 to make room for the move. Tiggerjay (talk) 16:58, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.