Talk:Peter Weber (television personality)

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Life & Style

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Pilot

@KidAd: Please read MOS/Bio#Lead.

4. The noteworthy position(s) the person held, activities they took part in, or roles they played;
5. Why the person is notable.

Weber does not have an article because he is a noteworthy pilot who has displayed excellence in his field of aviation and is notable for his contributions to aviation. He has an article because he is a reality TV personality. Hannah Brown was an interior decorator, but her lead says television personality and former beauty pageant titleholder because those are the two things that granted Brown her notability to have an article. She was not a world-renown interior decorator just like how Weber is not a notable pilot. It is background information that should be mentioned (as it currently is mentioned), but should not be how he is first defined to the reader. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 14:03, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

I don't really see the point of your argument here, but I'll play along. Chris Soules is a former bachelor who is also a farmer. His lede reflects that. Becca Kufrin was the bachelorette and also worked in Public Relations. Her lede reflects that. Nearly all "gossip" sources mention Weber's career as a pilot, but I doubt the validity of People Magazine, Bustle, and Refinery29, so we can disregard those. The New York Times mentions weber as a pilot here, as does USA Today here. Vulture does so here, and KABC-TV does so here. The list goes on. As is customary with reality tv stars and social media-types, many of them had "traditional" jobs before they became "influencers" or "personalities". The reality is that Weber has been a "TV personality" for less than a year, and he has been a commercial pilot for far longer, and this fact is notable according to the reliable sources I provided above. KidAd (talk) 19:11, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Just because something has been done a certain way, does not mean it is right. Also, I'm not sure what you believe your argument is doing. Sure, he is a pilot as these sources are saying. But his notability does not stem from him being a pilot. NONE of these articles written about him are because of his career as a pilot or because of his contributions to aviation. They were written because he has become notable due to his reality television career, and they are mentioning that he works as a pilot. As Wikipedia policy says (which you are conveniently ignoring), the lead is meant to describe what makes an individual notable, not everything that an individual has done. Selena Gomez has released fashion lines, but her notability does not stem from her being a fashion designer so it is not included in the lead (it is mentioned in prose though later in the article); however, she has passed notability tests for singers, songwriters, actresses, and television producers, which is why those are her mentioned careers in the lead. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 21:11, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Agree with User:Jjj1238. His career as a pilot should of course be mentioned in the article body, but certainly not in the lead — that's not from where his notability stems. Also, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.

@Jjj1238: Please select a lane. You cite Wikipedia:Ignore all precedent and then mention Selena Gomez as your example. Gomez is mostly known for singing pop songs, but if you had looked at her article, you might've noticed that her lede describes her as an "American singer, songwriter, actress, and television producer". If I had a gun pointed to my head and had to name a television show Selena Gomez had produced, I would likely end up dead. Shouldn't we describe the article subject as sources do? Or would you prefer to ignore what the sources say? KidAd (talk) 00:19, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

I mention Gomez because her article is following policy. The articles you've mentioned directly go against policy — Soules is not notable because he is a farmer, and Kufrin is not notable because she works in PR; they are notable for their careers in reality television. It doesn't matter if you personally don't know what shows Gomez has been in, because her credits as an actress meet Wikipedia's standards for inclusion. You have continuously ignored MOS/Bio#Lead; as I have explained, it does not matter that sources have said "oh yeah and the star of The Bachelor works as a pilot," because these articles are being written about him because he's The Bachelor, not because he's a pilot. You could give him absolutely any career and he would still have an article because his article exists since he's The Bachelor, and that is what the lead is for – explaining why one is notable. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 01:22, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

I never said that Weber is a notable pilot. But reliable sources note that he is one. While the lede is used for explain notability, it is also used to "identify the topic, [and] establish context." Weber's career as a commercial pilot is "context" and used to "identify the topic". I am also flummoxed was to why you continuously avoid reliable sources because they aren't telling you what you want them to. For your reviewing pleasure. KidAd (talk) 01:37, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

His being a pilot has no bearing (i.e. context) on his being notable. He's a reality-TV personality who happens to be a pilot, the way someone else may happen to be in software sales. It's completely incidental to the reason he's got a Wikipedia entry.--Tenebrae (talk) 20:07, 1 February 2020 (UTC)