Talk:Phil Murphy

Fulop and Sweeney

In the Run for Governor section, mentioning Steve Fulop and Steve Sweeney as potential candidates for Governor seems moot now, doesn't it? Perhaps these mentions should be removed entirely, since neither is running for Governor.Princetoniac (talk) 17:40, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

No, we can't remove them. The election is happening now, and Murphy is pulling off quite the feat in knocking out his two biggest rivals before they even announced their candidacies. That's the story this section has to tell. The tenses get a little complicated in doing so. 2600:1001:B10E:936E:E18F:1B91:26A5:85AC (talk) 00:51, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Name Change?

I figure the name of the article should be changed to "Phil Murphy" per WP:COMMONNAME. The name "Phil" over "Philip D." is used on his website, signs, flyers, campaign ads, Twitter account, the televised debates, and news articles about him. Similar to how Joe Kennedy III recently was changed from "Joseph P. Kennedy III" or how Hillary Clinton used to be "Hillary Rodham Clinton" before her 2015-2016 campaign ditched her maiden name, so her article changed to suit that. IOnlyKnowFiveWords (talk) 04:48, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

But there is Joseph P. Kennedy II and Joseph P. Kennedy Jr. and Joseph P. Kennedy Sr. That decision is clearly wrong. 2600:1001:B10A:BA51:C9A6:FDBB:9FFC:6496 (talk) 12:52, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Regardless of your feelings of all the Joe Kennedys, is it not safe to assume that Philip D. is the most notable Phil Murphy on Wikipedia? The only others are a dead American clergyman, a Canadian rugby player, an English rugby player, and an English footballer. I think the best course of action would be to change "Philip D. Murphy" to the common name of "Phil Murphy" and have the article link to the disambiguation page at the top, similar to other politicians with generic names like Tim Scott, Paul Ryan, Keith Ellison, and Jerry Brown. IOnlyKnowFiveWords (talk) 20:46, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

If he wins and becomes governor, yes. If not he will end up just as obscure as the rest of them. 2600:1001:B10A:BA51:C9A6:FDBB:9FFC:6496 (talk) 21:46, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Well, polling aside (he's likely to win the primary on Tuesday and go on to win the general as well), he'd still certainly be the most notable Phil Murphy. He was a U.S. Ambassador and the length of his page is significantly larger than any of the other articles. Just the fact that this page has multiple photos on it and the other four have none is telling enough that this guy is the most famous Phil, not to mention that all three athletes' pages are stubs. IOnlyKnowFiveWords (talk) 23:44, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Timing - if you go back to the 19th century and find some guy who was a banker, then was ambassador for 4 years, then staged a failed run for governor and that was it, his article is probably just as short as the clergy guy's is. But you're probably right that Murphy will win, although if last November showed anything... 2600:1001:B10A:BA51:C9A6:FDBB:9FFC:6496 (talk) 09:58, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

If last November showed anything, it's that the Democratic candidate will likely win by a margin of 14.1%, with a projected anti-Trump blowback average of an additional 14.4% (that's 28.5% total), not to mention the incumbent Republican governor being incredibly unpopular and the likely GOP nominee is his lieutenant governor...

Using that math we get:

Murphy (D) - 64.25%

Guadagno (R) - 35.75%

Polling reflects this more or less, with both likely nominees having lower numbers since about a fifth of voters are still undecided. But I digress, this Phil Murphy is clearly the most notable even if he somehow loses. He's even listed as "Phil Murphy" on the gubernatorial race's page. When you Google "Phil Murphy," he's the only one that shows up for two and a half pages of results (only interrupted by a Mr. Philip M. Murphy that doesn't even have a Wikipedia article). The only article on a Phil Murphy that isn't a stub is Philip Francis Murphy, which is only six paragraphs, has no pictures, and is already differentiated from the rest of the Phil Murphys by including his middle name. Since we can't seem to make a decision between the two of us, I've requested a third opinion. IOnlyKnowFiveWords (talk) 13:31, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Response to third opinion request :

Please see below. I am just fixing an incorrect substitution. Yopienso, be sure to use subst:3O in the future. ProgrammingGeek talktome 00:58, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

YoPienso (talk) 18:19, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

This is the first time I've done this, so may make some learner's mistakes.

Typically, we would use the common name, which I recommend doing.

The objection about the change to "Joe Kennedy III" is null because the III clearly identifies which Joe Kennedy is the subject of the article. YoPienso (talk) 18:22, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

In a professional publication all the Kennedy names would be handled in a consistent way - either all formal or all informal. Having both Joseph P. Kennedy II and Joe Kennedy III looks amateurish. 2600:1002:B110:12FD:D879:CA3B:5F1D:BC40 (talk) 23:44, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

This is actually off-topic, since that article title was given merely as an example, but in response to your comment, I'll say you're welcome to your opinion, but the consistent way we name articles is by following WP:COMMONNAME, which explains that Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources. (I'm not sure what you mean by "professional publication," but you may wish to check the Encyclopædia Britannica entry, "Ted Kennedy," which gives an alternative title in small print, "Edward Moore Kennedy." I can't find that it has a separate article on Joe III.) YoPienso (talk) 03:04, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm truly grateful, ProgrammingGeek, for your fix. Unfortunately, I don't know how "to use subst:3O in the future." YoPienso (talk) 01:09, 8 June 2017 (UTC), aka ProgrammingDunce

OK, I figured it out. YoPienso (talk) 17:47, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

• This is a clear case of WP:COMMONNAME, absolutely change the name. Cjhard (talk) 02:44, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

I agree. Even if we have to use Phil Murphy (politician) or Phil Murphy (banker), it his common name would at least be more easily recognizable. Knope7 (talk) 02:46, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Forthwith! My first attempt at a redirect--hope I did it right. A page told me to do clean-ups but then it disappeared when I clicked on the first link. YoPienso (talk) 19:29, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Conflicting opinions on Merkel's reaction to appointment of Murphy?

Going through the paragraph where it says that Murphy's nomination was well-received in the US but controversial among German officials, notably Merkel. The paragraph cites a Harper's article and two Der Spiegel article but they don't give the same accounts of why his nomination was held up...

Harper's: "Another is Phil Murphy, a Goldman Sachs executive who served as the Democratic Party’s national finance chairman, tapped to represent the United States in Berlin. The Murphy appointment so troubled German leaders that they held up agrément–the diplomatic process under which the receiving nation agrees to accept the ambassadorial designee–so that Chancellor Angela Merkel could press the case for a career diplomat or serious political figure. Merkel made her appeal at the G-8 meeting at L’Aquila, but Obama was unswayed. The Germans finally relented and grudgingly accepted the appointment." (last sentence hyperlinks to the same Der Spiegel article).

https://harpers.org/blog/2009/07/ambassadorships-for-sale/

Der Spiegel (relevant parts): Germany has given its nod of approval to the appointment of Phil Murphy as the next US ambassador to Germany. SPIEGEL ONLINE has learned that the Federal Office of the German President has issued a so-called "agrément" for Murphy this week... Apparently there were no objections to Murphy, 52, a former banker at Goldman Sachs.... Sources close to the White House have attributed the delays to a comprehensive new review for top posts in the Obama administration. As a result of a tax scandal earlier this year, this procedure has become even stricter. In Murphy's case, there was a lot to review."

(http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/he-s-willkommen-in-germany-berlin-gives-green-light-to-obama-s-ambassador-pick-a-633889.html)

Neither DS article mentions anything about Merkel's objections to Murphy, and it seems like they'd be more tuned in than Scott Horton of Harper's. I'm recommending it be removed unless someone can find more credible sources to back up the Harper's claim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.123.176.24 (talk) 19:17, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

I just looked for sources and I think you're right. The only other thing I found is from thelocal.de and it said German officials were privately hopeful that Murphy's previous ties to Germany would be helpful, which supports the idea that the delay was not because of Merkel's objection. Knope7 (talk) 20:16, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Wonder what actual news story was behind the Harper's piece? Maybe Germans gave initial agrement around July 2, but then Merkel realized she was still annoyed with getting a party fat cat instead of a real diplomat and asked Obama to switch it at July 8-10 G8? 2600:1002:B11B:3636:B4D8:EDA3:A7:372D (talk) 02:16, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

I removed the content sourced to the harpers blog from the body of the article as well. Harpers does not appear to be a reliable source so I think it is appropriate to remove it. Knope7 (talk) 03:24, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Inline citations

Please use inline citations for references. I have noticed a lot of bare urls in the Reference section in this article. Thank you. Knope7 (talk) 01:31, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

WP:PTOPIC

Leaving this here for future notice; this article will probably be the primary topic for "Phil Murphy" should Murphy be elected, as is likely, and a move discussion should be initiated in November if that happens, as is expected. Mélencron (talk) 02:45, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 September 2017

This change https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Phil_Murphy_(politician)&diff=801970927&oldid=801970867 took out a quote by Murphy that the state's pension problems were bipartisan in cause. Even if you don't put back the quote you should at least modify the text to briefly say that Murphy considered the problem to have bipartisan origins. Thank you.

2600:1001:B126:1799:314E:779D:164:349D (talk) 12:50, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Could you explain why you think this information is important? In my opinion, that section should be integrated into the article. I don't think Murphy's involvement in a task force warrants that much space. It should probably be a short paragraph about how he was appointed to the task force and the task force's recommendation. I'm not sure that his diagnosis of the cause of the problem is particularly important. Knope7 (talk) 16:21, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

People outside of New Jersey would not necessarily know this, but the pension funds crisis has been the issue in the state for much of the last two decades. It's the kind of policy-wonky issue that isn't too spicy, thus Wikipedia doesn't have an article on it, but it is very important nonetheless. Thus this aspect of Murphy's career is important. 2600:1001:B126:1799:314E:779D:164:349D (talk) 18:40, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

I get why mentioning Murphy was part of the task force is important. I do not get why this particular request and why it is important to an article on Phil Murphy. I agree pension funding has been a longstanding issue in New Jersey governance. As anyone can create an article, you might want to consider creating it yourself. Knope7 (talk) 02:44, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Not done: per discussion. It is recommended to create an article about the issue provided enough resources exist. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 17:15, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 September 2017

There is a problem with footnote 13 - it is a not working URL but you can see it archived at https://web.archive.org/web/20100208181010/http://germany.usembassy.gov/about/ambassador/ . Then someone a couple of days ago someone changed emerging nations of Central Europe to emerging nations of post-USSR. But this archive source shows the change is wrong. Probably would be best to say emerging post-Warsaw Pact economies of Central Europe. Thank you. 2600:1001:B126:1799:314E:779D:164:349D (talk) 22:23, 24 September 2017 (UTC) 2600:1001:B126:1799:314E:779D:164:349D (talk) 22:23, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Done SparklingPessimist ^{Scream at me!} 03:30, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 October 2017

The state of the gubernatorial race going into the final month of the campaign needs to be reflected. Consider using this nationally visible Politico piece http://www.politico.com/states/new-jersey/story/2017/10/03/monmouth-poll-murphy-leads-guadagno-by-14-points-114848 as a source. 70.192.84.57 (talk) 22:47, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. SparklingPessimist ^{Scream at me!} 23:28, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 8 November 2017

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. (closed by page mover) GeoffreyT2000 ^{(talk, contribs)} 02:16, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

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Phil Murphy (politician) → Phil Murphy – This Phil Murphy was just elected Governor of New Jersey which ostensibly makes him WP:PRIMARYTOPIC on both counts. The other Phil Murphys are marginally notable sportspeople with stubs for articles. Nohomersryan (talk) 01:25, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

• Support per WP:PTOPIC, as I noted above in August. Mélencron (talk) 02:56, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
• Support The Governor's office has lasting significance. Knope7 (talk) 03:03, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
• Procedural comment. I've simplified this request. Phil Murphy is a redirect to Philip Murphy, the disambiguation. Since the Phil Murphy page has no significant history, we can move over the top of it; it is not necessary to move the disambiguation page. If you want to make the governor-elect the primary topic for Philip Murphy as well, please submit a separate request to move that to Philip Murphy (disambiguation). – wbm1058 (talk) 03:42, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Oh, yeah, you're right about that. I think the DAB page should probably be moved to Phil though, given that it's made up 4/5 of Phil Murphys, but that might be for another discussion. Nohomersryan (talk) 03:51, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
• Support OBVIOUS CHOICE IS OBVIOUS 2601:244:180:7FA3:D599:E144:A6AE:7A01 (talk) 05:56, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
• Support per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. —Fundude99^{talk to me} 06:17, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
• Support. He's now Da Man. 2600:1002:B115:E288:2854:D65:D7BE:AF0F (talk) 17:35, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
• Support All other Philip Murphys are far less significant than the governor-elect. Ueutyi (talk) 23:38, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
• Support I agree with the above comments in support. - Bokmanrocks01 (talk) 23:38, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
• Support. Being the governor of what I believe is the most densely populated state, he will not become any less notable in time. - WPGA2345 - ☛ 05:02, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

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Streamlining election coverage

I removed some of the details from this article's coverage of the election. There is still a lot of content from 2016 even though the primary didn't even take place until mid-2017. Some early developments are worth noting, but we don't need to include every step of the campaign. I think weeding out extraneous details will help to keep this article focused on more significant developments, especially since this article is guaranteed to grow in the coming years. Knope7 (talk) 04:19, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

User:Knope7 you have trimmed in exactly the wrong place. I don't know if you are familiar with New Jersey politics, but that period in 2016 when the two powerful favorites Fulop and Sweeney dropped out was by far the most critical period of the entire election. Once that happened Murphy's nomination was virtually inevitable, and given Christie's unpopularity, his victory in the general election was too. Please restore this account. If you feel compelled to remove something, take out the quotes from Wisniewski and the detail about the primary debates - they changed nothing. 2600:1002:B114:450E:3980:15EA:CEEC:92B4 (talk) 10:55, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

I am familiar with New Jersy politics and in my opinion what I trimmed was extraneous. I believe more needs to be trimmed. I left basic mentions of Fulop and Sweeny but I removed quotes and opinions. We are writing an encyclopedia, not a novel. Knope7 (talk) 12:43, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

This section of the article needs to answer this question: how did Murphy, with little name recognition, no government experience, no regional power base of support, and the same burdensome Goldman Sachs background as the unloved Corzine, manage to get the backing of enough county party officials to get two powerful regional figures in Fulop and Sweeney to give up? That was when the election was decided. How did he do it? I'm not saying the previous text did a great job of this - it needed to be improved with more analysis - but you are picking the wrong part of the election to minimize. 2600:1002:B114:450E:3980:15EA:CEEC:92B4 (talk) 14:04, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

This is an article about Phil Murphy’s entire life, not just the Democratic Primary. Fulop and Sweeny are still mentioned. I also think we need to stick to facts over subjective analysis. Murphy secured support early and was well funded. We can cover that and possible strong rivals dropping out in a paragraph. I would welcome thoughts from additional editors. Knope7 (talk) 15:50, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Here's a campaign retrospective that emphasizes my point: https://amp.northjersey.com/amp/845857001 Among other statements in there: "Murphy was expected to win Tuesday’s gubernatorial contest from the moment he outmaneuvered Jersey City Mayor Steve Fulop and state Senate President Stephen Sweeney for the Democratic nomination." 2600:1002:B110:1AF9:9C98:8EAA:EA50:ECA9 (talk) 18:06, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

And here's another retrospective that can be used as a source: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/phil-murphy-elected-new-jersey-governor/ar-BBEHHXs 2600:1002:B110:1AF9:9C98:8EAA:EA50:ECA9 (talk) 18:10, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

And another: http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/nj/nj-governor-election-result-2017-phil-murphy-kim-guadagno-20171107.html?amphtml=y&mobi=true "He became the odds-on favorite in October 2016, when his chief rivals for the Democratic nomination, Sweeney and Jersey City Mayor Steve Fulop, announced they wouldn’t run for governor." 2600:1002:B110:1AF9:9C98:8EAA:EA50:ECA9 (talk) 18:14, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 December 2017

The category Governors of New Jersey should be removed. His isn't one yet. 2600:1001:B10E:976E:342F:A22D:16E8:ACE7 (talk) 02:37, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Done DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 04:41, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Picture: Replace Ambassadorial photo with Gubernatorial photo

The photograph of Phil Murphy on the article dates back to his period as Ambassador to Germany. However, there is now an official portrait of Murphy as Governor, from the official Office of the Governor: http://nj.gov/governor/assets/images/portraits/GovMurphy-1200x1500.jpg

So my question is, should the current photo be replaced with his Governor's photograph? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Accurateworldwar (talk • contribs) 20:38, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2018

The "Tenure" section is empty, which implies Phil Murphy has done nothing as governor. Yet the NYT says he has become a Liberal Bulwark: https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/05/16/nyregion/new-jersey-emerges-as-a-liberal-bulwark-under-murphy.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage Pleae reconcile! Thank you. 174.200.6.236 (talk) 20:29, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 20:45, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Phil Murphy

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Phil Murphy's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Murphykeeps":

• From Governorship of Phil Murphy: Johnson, Brent (January 6, 2017). "Murphy keeps 2 more Christie officials in Cabinet". The Star-Ledger. Retrieved 6 January 2017.
• From Douglas H. Fisher: Johnson, Brent. "Murphy keeps 2 more Christie officials in Cabinet", NJ Advance Media for NJ.com, January 6, 2017. Accessed January 17, 2018. "Murphy said he wants Douglas Fisher to stay on as secretary of the state Department of Agriculture and Gary Lanigan to remain commissioner of the state Department of Corrections.... Fisher's position is one of the few Cabinet spots that doesn't need confirmation from the Democratic-controlled state Senate, but Lanigan does need to be confirmed.... Fisher, 70, is actually a holdover from the administration of Christie's Democratic predecessor, Gov. Jon Corzine. He has served as agricultural secretary since 2009 and before that served four terms in the state Assembly."

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 15:09, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 October 2018

It is unfair weighting for there to be five paragraphs on Murphy's appointments controversies and only one sentence on the entire rest of his time as governor. The appointments controversy should be reduced to one sentence also. 23.30.99.126 (talk) 16:50, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Sakura Cartelet^Talk 23:08, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 October 2018

Article has been locked again, so renewing request:
It is unfair weighting for there to be five paragraphs on Murphy's appointments controversies and only one sentence on the entire rest of his time as governor. The appointments controversy should be reduced to one sentence also. 2603:301B:1609:4100:24EE:4213:1AF9:510D (talk) 16:18, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

There is an entire article on his tenure as governor. —C.Fred (talk) 16:24, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

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Infobox image

Would File:Phil Murphy for Governor (34592772625) (1).jpg perhaps be a superior infobox image? SecretName101 (talk) 22:59, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Meet New Jersey’s next governor, a Goldman Sachs veteran and major Democratic donor

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/08/who-is-phil-murphy-the-next-new-jersey-governor.html

The major Democratic donor part preceding his election to office needs to be added to the lede.

New Jersey’s Next Governor: A Rich Donor With Progressive Roots Before Philip D. Murphy was a governor, he was a Goldman Sachs executive.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/08/nyregion/new-jersey-governor-phil-murphy.html

The major and/or rich Democratic donor part is notable, RS and needs to be included.

Photo

Can we do better for a main photo? He looks like ass warmed over. 2601:84:8381:EBD0:355E:9BF7:A20:B675 (talk) 01:48, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Whoever changed the photo, thank you! 2601:84:8381:EBD0:610D:CE0:1F85:2964 (talk) 00:19, 13 August 2023 (UTC)