Talk:UCL Pi Media

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Whilst I've no desire to get into a slanging match on the subject, nor is there any need to name those responsible for a childish abuse of Wikipedia, I will say that this is indeed not a neutral portrayal of Pi Magazine. I would edit it accordingly, but there seems little point because, as one would expect, Pi's determined detractors apparently have much more free time on their hands than I do.

- Whoever the above person is, they're wrong. This article is refreshing in that it fleshes out Pi's glaring flaws. It is pretty much neutral, but if the author of the above comment is a contributor to Pi, or indeed the editor, they should be forgiven for failing to understand this.

No! You're wrong! Jesus, what's the point?

- The point is, Pi is a disgrace, and for a long time, no-one, but NO-ONE, has bothered to point this out.

- It should also be noted that the 'Criticism' paragraph is made up almost entirely of what Wikipedia considers to be 'weasel words'. Make of that what you will.

- I can recognise 'weasel words' by myself and I can't find any.

Just a couple of examples to help you on the way...

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words

'Here are some weasel words that are often found in Wikipedia articles (but shouldn't be):

"Some people say..."

"Critics/experts say that.."

"It has been said/suggested/noticed/decided/stated..."'

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From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi_magazine

"Some also think that Pi..."

"Critics claim that an increasing number..."

"The incident was cited by some students..."'

This article is quite negative

Even as a former features writer for Pi, I do have to admit its flaws. While writing, I was disappointed by the quality of the other writers' ideas for articles and methods of writing them. Perhaps I was out of touch with the student body but I always thought more insight into current events, especially those that affected the university, the union and students but there seemed to be more of an interest amongst my fellow writers in articles on the best places to go out or a "comical" insight into what UCL students thought of love at first sight. Despite this I have to agree, as a Wikipedia contributor, that this article, while IMO accurate, is not neutral.--Zoso Jade 10:36, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

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I've restored the critism of Pi with adjustments in the interests of neutrality. This is by far the biggest change I've ever made to this article.

I believe some people, notably ex-Pi man Daniel Smith and even Dedman himself, think I wrote the original version of this article, or someone did it on my behalf. Neither is true. I suspect Ed Jefferson (formerly of Rare FM) is responsible for the original. The article used to be short and quite unkind. In its current version it strikes a balance of sorts. I see no reason not to reflect the fact that there are people writing for Pi right now who rubbish it, or the fact that whole BOXES of Pi were being chucked away in 2005-06. René Lavanchy 21:51, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Update: Ed J didn't write the very early, short and rather rude, version, or so he tells me. He lengthened it and attenuated the partiality somehwat, though not enough I now admit. René Lavanchy 23:50, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

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I put the disputed neutrality sign up at the criticism section to point people to this discussion. Denis Roberts (pimatrix web editor) 19:52, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

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