Talk:Pied currawong

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• "Its specific names were derived from the Latin strepera, meaning "noisy", and graculina for resembling a Jackdaw." The specific name refers to only the latter part of the binomial, strepera is the generic name (Strepera was initially a specific name and later became a generic name, but I solved the issue by calling them both binomial names and linking to Binomial nomenclature.) Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:34, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
• link Yagara? (currently would be a redlink - not too crash-hot on aboriginal languages but I'll make a stub linked to Jagera which appears to be most common or official spelling)
• "Ornithologists Charles Sibley and Jon Ahlquist recognised the close relationship between woodswallows and the butcherbirds in 1985, and reclassified the Cracticidae as a Cracticini clade,[8] now within the family Artamidae." was wondering about this, in the early and mid-80s PCR and other similar DNA-manipulation technology was just taking off... was this a phylogenetic analysis similar to what we would expect today? (I am not sure and need to read more about how they interpreted the DNA results)
• "...and the bill slightly shortens as one moves from north to south." as who moves? needs better wording (It's to illustrate the grade in population attributes - I tried "The more southern the population of Pied Currawongs, the lighter the overall plumage (from black to a greyish black) is, the larger the body size, and the shorter the bill")
• "...it has yet to be studied molecularly" -> maybe "studied with molecular DNA techniques" or something similar (done)
• "The white patch on the primaries is also smaller." not sure what "primaries" is - (linked to Flight_feather#Primaries)
• "The gape is a prominent yellow." gape=bird word? couldn't find a wlink for it (it means the inside of the bird's mouth, especially WRT juveniles. Hmmm. worth a link but where to)
• "Older birds grow darker until adult plumage is achieved, but juvenile tail markings change to adult late." something missing at the end of that sentence? (embellished to "but juvenile tail markings only change to adult late in development")
• "The effect of this on smaller birds that are vulnerable to nest predation is controversial" slightly unclear what "this" refers to, as this is the lead sentence of a new paragraph (d'oh! must have shuffled and forgotten to switch nouns and pronouns. fixed now)
• "... birds have been reported taking adult seabirds." ? Taking them hostage, taking them out for dinner? Maybe just use a more descriptive verb here, as it's not clear until we read the "Feeding" section that the bird is omnivorous (hehehe, changed to "preying on adult seabirds.")
• "They were shot on Lord Howe Island for attacking chickens." the sentece seems to stick out a bit placed at the end here, maybe move it up a sentence to go with the other mention of shooting (good point. moved)
• "...hanging around picnic areas..." hanging around=vernacular (aawww, I liked that verb, nevermind, changed to "lingering around")
• nidicolous wlink/define

Later tonight I'll check the databases for any additional research you might want to add, and post results here. Sasata (talk) 16:15, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Subspecies queries

• Is bolding ssp MoS - I've never done it, but that doesn't necessarily make it wrong (:
• Ssp list - shortened genus but not species in binomial looks odd to me. I'd be inclined to start with Strepera graculina graculina and have the rest styled as S. g. ashbyi
• Do we need refs for the status of ashbyi and crissalis?

Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:59, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

• good points, yes Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:29, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

more sources

As promised, here are more recent (post 2000) sources that appear (judging from the title and/or abstracts) like they would have some useful or interesting info that could be added to the article. Let me know if you want me to list the older ones as well, or if you need help finding the articles (although I probably won't have access to much of the Aussie-specific journals). Sasata (talk) 16:46, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

• Multimodal communication and spatial binding in pied currawongs (Strepera graculina)

Author(s): Lombardo, SR; Mackey, E; Tang, L, et al. Source: ANIMAL COGNITION Volume: 11 Issue: 4 Pages: 675-682 Published: 2008

• Road ecology from a road-side assemblage of forest birds in south-western Australia

Author(s): Fulton, Graham R.; Smith, Mercedes; Choi, Mee Na, et al. Source: Ornithological Science Volume: 7 Issue: 1 Pages: 47-57 Published: JUN 2008

• Title: The role of intense nest predation in the decline of Scarlet Robins and Eastern Yellow Robins in remnant woodland near Armidale, New South Wales

Author(s): Debus, S. J. S. Source: Pacific Conservation Biology Volume: 12 Issue: 4 Pages: 279-287 Published: DEC 2006

• Title: Species interactions and habitat associations of birds inhabiting urban areas of Sydney, Australia

Author(s): Parsons, H; Major, RE; French, K Source: AUSTRAL ECOLOGY Volume: 31 Issue: 2 Pages: 217-227 Published: APR 2006

• Title: Spring diet of Pied Currawongs at Imbota Nature Reserve, Armidale, New South Wales

Author(s): Debus, S. J. S.; Rose, A. B. Source: Corella Volume: 29 Issue: 1 Pages: 19-21 Published: MAR 05 2005

• Title: The distribution and abundance of pied currawong and torresian crow in South-east Queensland.

Author(s): Woodall, Peter F. Source: Sunbird Volume: 34 Issue: 2 Pages: 49-57 Published: December 2004

• Title: Pied currawongs Strepera graculina near Mount Gambier: confirmation of a new species for South Australia.

Author(s): Berggy, John Source: South Australian Ornithologist Volume: 34 Issue: 5 Pages: 180 Published: May 2004

• Title: Knemidocoptes intermedius in a wild currawong (Strepera graculina)

Author(s): Jaensch, SM; Raidal, SR; Hobbs, R Source: AUSTRALIAN VETERINARY JOURNAL Volume: 81 Issue: 7 Pages: 411-411 Published: JUL 2003

• Title: Severe pathology associated with protozoal schizonts in two pied currawongs (Strepera graculina) from Queensland

Author(s): Lederer, R; Adlard, RD; O'Donoghue, PJ Source: VETERINARY RECORD Volume: 150 Issue: 16 Pages: 520-+ Published: APR 20 2002

• Title: Stomach contents of parental and young Pied Currawongs Strepera graculina

Author(s): Fulton, Graham R.; Ford, Hugh A. Source: Corella Volume: 25 Issue: 4 Pages: 94-96 Published: December, 2001

• Title: The Pied Currawong's role in avian nest predation: A predator removal experiment

Author(s): Fulton, Graham R.; Ford, Hugh A. Source: Pacific Conservation Biology Volume: 7 Issue: 3 Pages: 154-160 Published: December, 2001

• Title: Postures, displays and copulation of the pied currawong Strepera graculina.

Author(s): Wood, K.A. Source: Australian Bird Watcher Volume: 18 Issue: 8 Pages: 313-319 Published: December 2000

• Title: Notes on feeding habits of the pied currawong Strepera graculina at Wollongong, New South Wales.

Author(s): Wood, K.A. Source: Australian Bird Watcher Volume: 18 Issue: 7 Pages: 259-266 Published: September 2000

• Thanks for that - the Wood papers have useful titbits in them. Intrigued by some of the others. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:31, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Update - have added what I can, what is left is some which appear to be letters/correspondences only (i.e. with no abstract). Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:35, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations!

I was so happy to see this on the main page! Amandajm (talk) 00:16, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

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Origin of currawong

While it is true that the name currawong is of Aboriginal origin, I would say that the name was given based on the sound of its most common call.

Edit: just read that in the taxonomy section. Perhaps it could be moved to the top.

Jamesray1 (talk) 00:58, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Well, yes it is obviously onomatopoeic, but this is via an indigenous language. it is pretty far up the article as is, I'd have thought....how far up do you want it? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:24, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Shaw versus White and Latham

Avibase gives the taxonomic authority as "(Shaw, G 1790)", but links to White's J. Voy. N.S.W. and lists the protonym as "Corvus Graculinus". (I was reading White for other reasons, happened upon his white-vented crow, and tracked back via Wikipedia to Avibase.) Is there any scholarship which indicates that Shaw wrote the Appendix for White's book? Gould (1865) attributes White, not Shaw. And where does "Coracias streptera" come from? Our article says Shaw, but Gould ascribes the name to Latham. (See Gould's sp. 88, p. 168) ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 19:35, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

This paper may mention that Shaw wrote the descriptions of birds for White, but it's paywalled: Nelson, E. Charles (28 July 2010). "John White's Journal of a voyage to new South Wales (London 1790): bibliographic notes". Archives of Natural History. doi:10.3366/anh.1998.25.1.109. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 19:56, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Crittenden (1981, p. 133) [1] quotes two contemporaneous reviews of White's Journal, that ascribe the natural history to Hunter, or to Hunter, Shaw, and Smith. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 20:18, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

"In Mr. White's Voyage, above referred to, I have considered this bird as a species of Corvus; but am at present inclined to think it more properly a species of Gracula." – Shaw 1809. I think that settles it. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 10:32, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

The fix was in these edits. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 10:43, 6 January 2023 (UTC)