Talk:Piali Pasha

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I asked you (user E4024) on your talk page, and now I am asking you here. Where do you see a problem with my edits?--Kebeta (talk) 17:49, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

I answered you there and repeat here: I reverted your contribution per WP:OPENPARA. Ethnic origin not in the first sentence. (Indeed the reason of the community consensus in this, possibly, is because the use of ethnicity at the beginning shows a nationalist POV. This is an extra from me.) Please do understand that "Ottoman" "pasha"s are Ottomans, BTW. Ethnic origin can be mentioned below, in a section on life, not on top of the article... --E4024 (talk) 17:56, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Well, you could said like that in the first place...I wasn't aware what do you see as wrong. As I see now that you see a problem with my edits only with lead section. Regards, Kebeta (talk) 18:09, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Not even in 16th century were there 11 year old soldiers

If the person was born in 1515 about 1200 km from Mohacs, and was captured in 1526 at the Battle of Mohacs then there is something wrong about this piece of info. Besides, if he was schooled in Istanbul, he was obviously not a soldier at Mohacs, so he must have been taken in devsirme (blood tax). That makes all other info in the articlu dubious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by QueerStudiesRS (talk • contribs) 07:03, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

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About the subject's origin

I edited the article about the subject origins which, according to the majority of scholars, are Hungarian. However, a 2007 entry in the TDV Islam Encyclopedia (linked in the article) claims his father was a Croatian shoemaker. Now that's a simple substitution of Croatian for Hungarian in the quote by Hidden, who is writing in 1912. Several Western authors in the following decades, up to modern times, continued to report Hungarian descent for the subject. The TDV Islam Encyclopedia cites Gerlach for the claim, who must also be the source for Hidden's statement. It is not clear why only this 2007 entry changed Hungarian into Croatian. I think that a birth at the time of the Croatia in personal union with Hungary might have caused a mistranslation or misunderstanding of some kind. If that is the case, and he was in fact the son of a shoemaker from Hungary-Croatia, then the ethnicity is Hungarian, and all the sources claiming this justify including only that in the article. I cannot access Gerlach and I won't do so in the near future, so if some could, it would be great. The work is his Turkish Diary (in Turkish Turkiye Gunlugu (1573 - 1576)).--Haldir Marchwarden (talk) 23:01, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Conquest of Naples

The article mentions that Piali Pasha conquered Naples in 1563. The assertion seems rather implausible and is not reported by any contemporary source. An Italian source only mentions a small raid in Chiaia (a neighbourhood of Naples) conducted by Piali Pasha on May 25 1563. Josef von Trotta (talk) 17:33, 26 July 2022 (UTC)