Talk:Pop-punk
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Revival in 2018-20
editHello, I think it's worth mentioning there has been a revival of sorts over the last couple of years, with Blink-182's new album 'Nine' to the reunion of MCR, and the return of guitars in many pop radio settings (see Demi Lovato's 'emo' release of one of her songs recently). I do not believe who ever keeps deleting the title 'revival' that I have added has reason to. There certainly is something going on and I even included news stories pondering it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:3008:202:AA00:35E6:396:B1D7:5301 (talk) 22:05, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
WP:SYNTH in old characteristics section
editPlease stop restoring the horribly sourced version of the "characteristics" section. Most of the claims are not supported by the sources. It's unarguably preferable to present the sources' opinions on pop punk individually than to bundle them together and pretend that they're each describing the same concept (they're not!). ili (talk) 01:06, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Likewise, please stop doing the same for the lead. The body has several different contradicting definitions of pop-punk and it's not Wikipedia's job to take sides when each pov is equally valid.ili (talk) 22:39, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Criticism section is not NPOV
editThe criticism section seems to be something someone added because they personally don’t like pop punk. Articles about similar genres don’t have criticism sections, and pop punk has been popular for years (in the 2000’s as well as the last 3 or so years) so I don’t feel it’s warranted because there clearly isn’t a consensus that pop punk is bad music. Cretaceousa (talk) 03:23, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Pop punk article title
editCan we remove the hyphen from “pop punk” on its article’s title? The hyphen is not used in other articles, nor in its own article. I already edited the introductory paragraph to remove all instances of the hyphen. This is just something I realized. Ded Meem (talk) 03:24, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
- No. I have restored the hyphen. Simply because the hyphen is not used in another article means that it is dated and is a problem that needs fixing on that respective article. There has been some arguing over how to render the title, but ILIL's reasoning at requested moves was sound (this number may have changed): Most sources (particularly books and web articles centred on the genre) typeset "pop punk" as "pop-punk". This can be seen in the "References" section, where you'll find that 17 headlines spell the term as "pop-punk", whereas only 8 say "pop punk". dannymusiceditor oops 17:24, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
- Well, it's unfortunate that the predominately accepted typeset includes a hyphen, because it's not logical at all.
- "Pop" in "pop punk" is an adjective, not a prefix. For example, pop rock is not "pop-rock"; it's "pop rock" (the current predominately accepted form, that is). Equivalently, it's never "country-rock"; it's "country rock". It's never "blues-rock"; it's just "blues rock". It's never "rap-metal"; it's simply "rap metal".
- Genres such as "post-X" and "proto-X" include the use of a hyphen because those are prefixes being used to alter the actual raw meaning of the noun, whereas fusion genres and sub-genres use adjectives, or adjectival nouns, to describe a particular variety of the original noun.
- The above adjectival noun examples work the same exact way as actual adjectives do:
- • It's not "soft-rock"; it's "soft rock".
- • It's not "hardcore-punk"; it's "hardcore punk".
- • It's not "progressive-metal"; it's "progressive metal".
- If the presence of the hyphen is considered standard typeset today, then I guess that's the standard typeset today. It's still linguistically incorrect.
- Maybe one day it will be rectified such that the accepted standard will omit the hyphen...
- Jdjd021 (talk) 18:57, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
No mention of Adam and the Ants?
editYou would have thought early 80's band, Adam and the Ants deserve a small mention given their string of chart hits, but there's nothing? 86.22.43.187 (talk) 07:45, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- From a Google search, the only source I can find that seems to call them pop punk is [1], which says "The music, needless to say, is rock and roll, a clever pop-punk amalgam". But this doesn't seem to be pointing to the pop punk genre, just that there are elements of pop and punk, and this is only referencing one album. Adam and the Ants are generally considered a new wave band as far as I know, which early on definitely had elements of pop and punk, but that doesn't make it pop punk. You can't even really argue it's proto-pop punk, because the Ants were making music at the same time as the Descendents. Issan Sumisu (talk) 09:44, 6 October 2024 (UTC)