Talk:Pornography laws by region

Requested move 15 September 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 16:59, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

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Pornography laws by region → Restrictions on pornography – Someone may have a better idea for a rename, so I'm seeking input. The current formulation — "laws" – is not sufficiently precise (WP:PRECISION), limiting the scope of addressing, in addition to "laws" in the sense of de jure aspects, also the enforcement situation by governments.

For instance, South Korea is listed in the table as a country where production and distribution are prohibited, but appears nonetheless green in the accompanying map; China does not formally criminalise possession, yet there was a controversial 2002 incident of police breaking into a couple's home whilst they watched pornography, fining and jailing them (article in Chinese); in Egypt, there have been some statements by courts and prosecutors following the growth of Islamist politics in the immediate aftermath of the 2011 revolution, yet internet pornography is not blocked, unlike in some other Arab countries. Clearly, the article has been — and should be better — addressing both the de jure and quasi-legal situations. The present title yields undesired ambiguity.

Similar Wikipedia titles include Restrictions on TikTok in the United States and Restrictions on cell phone use while driving in the United States. It would make little sense to prefer e.g. "Legality of TikTok"/"Laws on TikTok in the United States" over its present title. Y. Dongchen (talk) 13:57, 15 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 15:38, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Correction: South Korea does not appear green in the accompanying map. It is de facto nevertheless a regulation of a very different nature that of Iran, despite being lumped into the non-specific category of "illegal". Y. Dongchen (talk) 14:25, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Also, "laws by region" implies a stand-alone list. I'm not sure if "Pornography laws by region" has been sufficiently discussed in secondary sources. Rather, it seems more appropriate for the legal prescriptions on pornography to be an aspect included in a broader article "Restrictions on pornography", which is amply discussed in secondary literature. Y. Dongchen (talk) 04:14, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Sexology and sexuality, WikiProject Law, and WikiProject Pornography have been notified of this discussion. ASUKITE 15:38, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: relisted due to no participation ASUKITE 15:38, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose: Restrictions on TikTok in the United States and cell phones in the United States do not primarily involve disagreements about what TikTok and cell phones are, and are explicitly about the United States. "Restrictions on pornography" would imply that we already clearly know what pornography is, and that the article is about what restrictions exist on its distribution, production, possession, public display, etc. That would be an incorrect assumption, since the laws (and cultural contexts surrounding their interpretation) that define what is considered pornography can vary dramatically from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. The current title does not contain this incorrect assumption, and there is nothing clearly wrong with the current title. Also, "Restrictions on TikTok in the United States" and "Restrictions on cell phone use while driving in the United States" are clear that their scope is focused within a particular national jurisdiction (i.e., the United States). The proposed title does not contain any clarification of its scope of jurisdiction. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 17:21, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. "By region" is necessary to describe the actual article. Srnec (talk) 13:55, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. the regionalization of the restrictions is the basis of the article. Comment. Would the name Pornography restrictions by region be more along the lines you are looking for, since some of the restrictions are not codified in law? Demt1298 (talk) 16:06, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

September 2024

Veracity of the choropleth map

I have appended Template:Additional citation needed to the choropleth map. Unless the depicted countries can be sourced, I will delete that map after some time. A new map would then have to be made if we wish to include one. No information at all is better than false or misleading information. Y. Dongchen (talk) 03:43, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

I realise that another issue in the map is the arbitrary trichotomy without evidence of such nomenclature in secondary sources (see the subsequent talk page section "Original research"). Therefore I have removed the map. Y. Dongchen (talk) 04:11, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Original research

The trichotomous characterisation of legal prescriptions on pornography — in this article, "Legal (with exceptions on extreme forms)", "Restricted" and "Illegal" — is an arbitrary construct. Unless that is a common modus operandi of secondary sources, this constitutes original research. Instead, I propose simply listing the specific laws in each country's row. Y. Dongchen (talk) 04:03, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

This indeed constitutes something arbitrary and original and if sources cannot be found then simplifying it to a more neutral structure would be less misleading as T. Dongchen proposed. Jorahm (talk) 16:48, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Israel

Why isn't Israel on the list asks pedo Lump — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2401:D002:E504:2800:24AA:3AF5:B82F:C196 (talk) 01:52, 4 October 2024 (UTC)