Talk:Prince Abdul Azim of Brunei/Archive 1
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Latest comment: 10 years ago by Muffinator in topic Why is the biography of a living person belong to the WikiProject Autism?
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Why is the biography of a living person belong to the WikiProject Autism?
He is a living person. There is no mention in his article that he is autistic. Because his philanthropy included supporting disadvantaged groups, such as fund raisers for the blind, designing "unisex weekend bags", is a patron of the Make-A-Wish Foundation, supports International Women's Day, and attended an event in 2011 in which "31 persons with autism performed" as well as "On April 27, 2013, he graced the opening of the 2nd ASEAN Autism Network (AAN) Congress" doesn't justify labeling him as autistic. This is wrong and a BLP violation. Parabolooidal (talk) 20:45, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- The WikiProject Autism tag doesn't imply that he is autistic. It only implies that he is relevant to subject of autism, which includes culture, philanthropy, and other autistic people. Muffinator (talk) 20:57, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- ok, besides attending two autism-related events in his life, and since he is a prince in Brunei, a member of the royal family, attending charity events is pretty much his job, how is he relevant to the culture, philanthropy etc. of autistic people? If you actually read the sources for the article, it seems that he is far more interested in celebrities and spent $70,000 on flowers for an event that wasn't autism-related. For some reason the really interesting stuff in the sources isn't in the article. The article reads very POV, emphasizing the autism stuff and ignoring much of the information in sources that isn't autism-related. "The most well known of the Brunei royal family, he is a paparazzi favourite." Lets hear more about this! Sounds like a young man, third in line to the royal throne, does a lot more interesting things than attending two autism-related events in his life and giving a related interview to the The Brunei Times. Parabolooidal (talk) 00:45, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- Also, apparently he is a movie producer, according to the external link in his biography,[1] having made three movies so far and it doesn't sound like his movies are autism-related. Guess that's why he's so friendly with the Hollywood types. Parabolooidal (talk) 01:48, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- Sounds like very interesting, notable stuff. Put it in the article! Muffinator (talk) 02:48, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- But you've said elsewhere, on the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard, that His Royal Highness's notoriety is "autism-related" as a justification for tagging him with the "autism" banners. I certainly wouldn't contribute to an article that is likely going to be tagged unjustly with your banner. Parabolooidal (talk) 02:56, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- This is a very passive-aggressive statement. Hyperbolic too - unjustly, really? I never expected Wikipedia talk page maintenance to be condemned as injustice. You are under no obligation to make any contribution to Wikipedia whatsoever. I do, however, find your stated reasons very childish. I'm noticing a lot of derailment, so I'm going to bow out from this particular talk page until the topic returns to something that seems productive. Feel free to have the WP:Last word.Muffinator (talk) 04:01, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- That is bordering on a personal attack, something that you have complained about others making. If you are bowing out of the talk page discussion and refusing to WP:DISCUSS the issue per WP:BRD then please do not retag until you wish to discuss. I note you have re-added the tag after you replied to my point at talk:Alan Turing about WP:BURO so I assume you read WP:BURO. If you add material than many editors find controversial and reverted, then you should be finding consensus to add it back in, and discussing the issue properly, even if it is a talk page tag. I am beginning to believe WP:IDONTUNDERSTANDIT applies here. Martin451 00:12, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
- "Parabolooidal disagrees" isn't a consensus, it's an edit war. Muffinator (talk) 00:51, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
- WP:BRD Bold, revert, discuss, in that order. You added the tag, Parabolooidal reverted, and then the issue is discussed before the tag is reapplied. Given that multiple people have questioned the adding of these tags, in multiple places, it is up to you to get consensus to add the tag, or find and overiding policy such as WP:BLP. However WP:BLP points sensitivity. "Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced .... should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion.[2] Users who persistently or egregiously violate this policy may be blocked from editing." WP:BLP also applies to talk pages. Tagging this talk page, based upon a few days of charitable work is leaning towards point of view editing, and against WP:BLP. Martin451 01:27, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
- We've been over this on several pages: The banner doesn't say that he's autistic. It doesn't say anything at all. If mentioning his philanthropy is a violation of WP:BLP, then it needs to be removed from the article text. Muffinator (talk) 01:51, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
- WP:BRD Bold, revert, discuss, in that order. You added the tag, Parabolooidal reverted, and then the issue is discussed before the tag is reapplied. Given that multiple people have questioned the adding of these tags, in multiple places, it is up to you to get consensus to add the tag, or find and overiding policy such as WP:BLP. However WP:BLP points sensitivity. "Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced .... should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion.[2] Users who persistently or egregiously violate this policy may be blocked from editing." WP:BLP also applies to talk pages. Tagging this talk page, based upon a few days of charitable work is leaning towards point of view editing, and against WP:BLP. Martin451 01:27, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
- "Parabolooidal disagrees" isn't a consensus, it's an edit war. Muffinator (talk) 00:51, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
- That is bordering on a personal attack, something that you have complained about others making. If you are bowing out of the talk page discussion and refusing to WP:DISCUSS the issue per WP:BRD then please do not retag until you wish to discuss. I note you have re-added the tag after you replied to my point at talk:Alan Turing about WP:BURO so I assume you read WP:BURO. If you add material than many editors find controversial and reverted, then you should be finding consensus to add it back in, and discussing the issue properly, even if it is a talk page tag. I am beginning to believe WP:IDONTUNDERSTANDIT applies here. Martin451 00:12, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
- This is a very passive-aggressive statement. Hyperbolic too - unjustly, really? I never expected Wikipedia talk page maintenance to be condemned as injustice. You are under no obligation to make any contribution to Wikipedia whatsoever. I do, however, find your stated reasons very childish. I'm noticing a lot of derailment, so I'm going to bow out from this particular talk page until the topic returns to something that seems productive. Feel free to have the WP:Last word.Muffinator (talk) 04:01, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- But you've said elsewhere, on the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard, that His Royal Highness's notoriety is "autism-related" as a justification for tagging him with the "autism" banners. I certainly wouldn't contribute to an article that is likely going to be tagged unjustly with your banner. Parabolooidal (talk) 02:56, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- Sounds like very interesting, notable stuff. Put it in the article! Muffinator (talk) 02:48, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- Also, apparently he is a movie producer, according to the external link in his biography,[1] having made three movies so far and it doesn't sound like his movies are autism-related. Guess that's why he's so friendly with the Hollywood types. Parabolooidal (talk) 01:48, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- ok, besides attending two autism-related events in his life, and since he is a prince in Brunei, a member of the royal family, attending charity events is pretty much his job, how is he relevant to the culture, philanthropy etc. of autistic people? If you actually read the sources for the article, it seems that he is far more interested in celebrities and spent $70,000 on flowers for an event that wasn't autism-related. For some reason the really interesting stuff in the sources isn't in the article. The article reads very POV, emphasizing the autism stuff and ignoring much of the information in sources that isn't autism-related. "The most well known of the Brunei royal family, he is a paparazzi favourite." Lets hear more about this! Sounds like a young man, third in line to the royal throne, does a lot more interesting things than attending two autism-related events in his life and giving a related interview to the The Brunei Times. Parabolooidal (talk) 00:45, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- Removed Autism tag, per discussion on Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard regarding the subject of this article. Parabolooidal (talk) 23:44, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
- Muffinator, you reverted me without discussion here nor on the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. Please discuss and abide by consensus rather than your one-person view. Parabolooidal (talk) 23:54, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
- I have removed the banner again from this young prince's talk page. Please discuss before you continue. Parabolooidal (talk) 00:03, 11 August 2014 (UTC)