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Ranked 43rd best Formula One driver of all time

Prince Bira was recently ranked 43rd best Formula One driver of all time, with the influence of different cars driven removed. Seems notable. Source: "The Top 50 F1 drivers of all time, regardless of what they were driving" by Mike Hanlon Gizmag May 12 2016 (See table / picture 3 )

A new academic research paper (entitled Formula for success: Multilevel modelling of Formula One Driver and Constructor performance, 1950–2014) published by a team from the Sheffield Methods Institute at the University of Sheffield in the UK offers some remarkable insights into the world of Formula One through advanced mathematical modeling.

The Sheffield team set out to answer three inter-related questions:

1. What percentage of car-driver performance is contributed by the driver and what percentage is contributed by the car/team?

2. How do the percentages in #1 vary for different types of circuits and weather?

3. Who are best individual drivers of all time, in order of the difference they made to performance?

The research has produced a top 50 best drivers list which, unlike all previous such lists, is not based solely on opinions or results statistics. In simple terms, advanced modeling has been used to assess the relative performance of the individual cars and teams each year, then taken that into account in assessing each driver's performance over his F1 career.

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Second marriage to Ceril Haycock

The [infobox] shows that Bira married Ceril Haycock for a second time but her autobiography 'The Prince and I' published in 1992 (ISBN 1 874105 10 3) states simply that she met him briefly on two occasions when she was visiting London, once in 1983 and once in 1984 at the flat of mutual friends. She heard of his death in 1985 when her brother in England phoned her in Italy where she had lived since the divorce in 1949. What is the evidence for the second marriage? - question from Ancientyorkshireman

Question moved from main page. Pyrope 16:33, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Looks like the information was added back in 2009 by a user who hasn't really been active since that period. Back then referencing information was much less rigorously enforced (or demanded by policy) so nobody thought anything of it. I'll do some digging around to see if there are any reliable sources that state things either way. Pyrope 22:20, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

I couldn't find any substantiation of this, either. There are several Thai websites, as well as this Vice article,[1] that say so in passing mention, but they seem to originate from a single unverified source. Given the contradiction raised, I've removed the contested claim from the infobox. --Paul_012 (talk) 19:13, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Agreed. The closest I have found in RS is mention of their having been 'reunited' in 1983, but that could mean anything as slight as meeting for coffee a couple of times. No evidence for a second marriage. Pyrope 20:26, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

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As of 30 May 2024, the infobox appears to reflect a remarriage. Has there been any discovery of reliable sources endorsing such a conclusion? From the above discussion it appears not, so it would need to have been within the past four years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.47.178.11 (talk • contribs)

newquaytown.com/ceril-heycock-the-prince-of-siam-and-the-jewels says "Ceril married the Prince of Siam twice. Prince Bira married six times, Ceril was both his first and last wife. ... Their first wedding, when Ceril was 21, lasted from 12th January 1938–1949 and the second time was 1983–1985 when Prince Bira died." but I can't vouch for it's reliability. DH85868993 (talk) 04:50, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

That doesn't appear to be a reliable source, and was probably one of those I reviewed and dismissed earlier. (It's a blog dedicated to local interest, and the writer could very much have gotten the (mis)information from Wikipedia.) --Paul_012 (talk) 09:22, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Pinging Arjoccolenty, who re-added the infobox mention last month. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:22, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Reverted. --Paul_012 (talk) 13:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Change of article name to "Prince Bira" or "Prince Bira of Siam"

Hi all, not sure if this undermines precedent for royal family members in Thailand or not, but the article name should be either "Prince Bira" or "Prince Bira of Siam", per WP:COMMONNAME. Mb2437 (talk) 15:05, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Prince Bira is how he was known from his racing career. But he's also notable for being a member of the royal family, and the convention for its members is to use their royal name. The article title should ideally be determined by what is most commonly used by English-language reliable sources with the appropriate scope (those focusing on the subject as a person, not just passing mentions of race results), but I don't think that has been systematically explored. You might want to start a WP:requested move discussion to see if that can be determined. --Paul_012 (talk) 03:30, 23 October 2024 (UTC)