Talk:The Bartered Bride

Met–Juilliard version

A New York Times article, "'Bartered Bride' a Fine Start to Marriage of Met and Juilliard" (which I archived with WebCite) reviews a version staged by the Metropolitan Opera and Juilliard School. I noticed it on the NYT front page (not too far below news of the Second Going of Lance Armstrong and such) and quickly remembered That One Well-Received Wikipedia Article I Noticed on FAC That One Time.

Perhaps not significant in the grand scheme of the opera's history, but enjoy it I guess. --an odd name 14:40, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

German premiere was prior to Mahler Hamburg 1894

We’re saying Gustav Mahler led the German premiere, in Hamburg in 1894. Yet there’s evidence it was performed in Berlin in 1893 – see [1] and [2].

This and this say Mahler conducted it in Hamburg in 1894 but make no claim to it being the German premiere. It's not claimed that even the 1893 Berlin performance was the German premiere.

We need to dig further. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 08:02, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Overture

The article in stating that the overture was written first misses the fact that all the themes of the overture appear in the Act 2 finale. This begs the question as to whether the Finale Act 2 was composed before the overture.Bkesselman (talk) 11:13, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Redid my edit on the overture citing a source, though it needs incorporating properly. The overture is famous for using only the music of the Act 2 finale, and listening to a recording or analysing a score will easily show this.Bkesselman (talk) 11:08, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

This level of detail is unsuitable for a lead (see WP:LEAD) but could, if properly cited go in the main body of the text. Tim riley talk 13:29, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Translation of Title

Anthony Powell in The Military Philosophers (Chapter 2) has a Czech colonel comment:

'The heroine is not really a bride, but a fiancée,’ explained Hlava. ‘The English title being not literal for German Die Verkaufte Braut.’

One assumes that The Fungible Fiancée was rejected for bathos. Thomas Peardew (talk) 08:04, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Many titles are misleading, but common. The German "Braut" isn't only on her wedding day, but means "wife-to be" in a broader sense. This opera was performed in English under the current title, not some perhaps more literal translation which could come up in a footnote. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:37, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Gerda Arendt: I assume you are familiar with German. I wonder if the Czech title carries the same ambiguity? I note that the article already mentions that in France it is - perhaps a bit more correctly - la Fiancée Vendue.Thomas Peardew (talk) 10:36, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

There is precedent for flexible translation: I understand that À la recherche du Tom Peardew is known in English as Remembrance of Things Past. – Tim riley talk 15:39, 20 June 2021 (UTC)