Talk:Pryvillia
Latest comment: 1 year ago by Mzajac in topic Proposed merge of Torture and castration of a Ukrainian POW in Pryvillia into Pryvillia
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Proposed merge of Torture and castration of a Ukrainian POW in Pryvillia into Pryvillia
editI don't think a singular torture incident (as horrific as it is) passes WP:GNG or WP:EVENTCRITERIA on its own, per WP:NOTNEWS. It's best that these two stubs be merged into one article, especially considering the fact that there is already another invasion-related incident at Pryvillia. InfiniteNexus (talk) 21:29, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Russian and Ukrainian Wikipedias have lengthy articles on this incident with information that would be WP:UNDUE if it was completely merged into Pryvillia. And there's no reason to delete any info. I believe the topic is notable. It was particularly gross and Western media outlets started an investigation to geolocalize the place of the murder and identify the soldiers. Super Ψ Dro 09:49, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
- WP:NOTNEWS. An event needs to receive significant coverage and have lasting effects, per WP:EVENTCRITERIA. I proposed this merge because the alternative would be to delete. InfiniteNexus (talk) 02:14, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- By that logic we would have deleted the article on September 11 attacks right after it was created. This event has received lasting coverage, such as the Bellingcat investigation, and ongoing commentary. There will also be reports on the prosecution of the suspected perpetrator. IntrepidContributor (talk) 05:56, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
- WP:NOTNEWS. An event needs to receive significant coverage and have lasting effects, per WP:EVENTCRITERIA. I proposed this merge because the alternative would be to delete. InfiniteNexus (talk) 02:14, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support While this is a horrific incident, there are plenty of terrible isolated atrocities that will be committed against a single individual over the course of a war. A stand-alone article is not warranted simply because an incident happened and it was reported in the media. WP:NOTNEWS indeed applies here. The proper place for it is the War crimes in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine where it's already mentioned and the Pryvillia article where the important content can be merged. --2607:FEA8:101E:A026:50A6:96F9:2B50:BEDC (talk) 18:25, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose this is a notable event that gained sufficiently significant attention by world media and checks all the boxes of WP:GNG and WP:EVENTCRITERIA per WP:CFORK and WP:PAGEDECIDE. IntrepidContributor (talk) 05:46, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per IntrepidContributor. RodRabelo7 (talk) 12:52, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Merging it into the city's article would be rather bizarre. I propose an alternate merge into War crimes in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, where it already has a section. — Goszei (talk) 04:16, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose the main proposal but strongly support Goszei's proposal; there's no reason to have a separate article of such short length. DFlhb (talk) 16:44, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
- Notability discussions should not take into consideration the current length of the article but the potential one they can achieve. And per russian and Ukrainian Wikipedias, it can be a decent one. Super Ψ Dro 13:09, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose The proposal is prima facie ridiculous. This received wide spread coverage and for a very good reason - it's a horrific war crime. Trying to merge it away would be an attempt at whitewashing it. Volunteer Marek 15:53, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose as written. If it were to be merged anywhere, it would be War crimes in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. But it seems too long for that already. —Michael Z. 03:19, 27 January 2023 (UTC)