Talk:Execution of Quintin Jones

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Latest comment: 3 years ago by Osunpokeh in topic Requested move 20 May 2021

Solitary confinement

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None of the sources anywhere near any of the solitary confinement sentences say anything about how long he spent in it. Furthermore, the statement about the UN rules on "torture" requires a secondary source that makes that connection - otherwise, that is WP:SYNTH of ideas and should be removed. Overall, this article is written in a heavily promotional/advocacy-based tone and needs quite a bit of cleanup to comply with policies. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 23:39, 16 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

  • What's not clear from the article or the sources is why
  1. the execution has been so long delayed
  2. the prisoner has been kept in solitary confinement
  3. the execution has now been scheduled
I suppose that it's mainly because of protracted appeals which have now been exhausted but this doesn't seem to be stated clearly anywhere
Andrew🐉(talk) 13:44, 18 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
@Andrew Davidson: I've removed the sentence through this edit. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 15:26, 18 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

"Several"

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The only news organization that even is listed is one local newspaper. The piece mentioned is an opinion piece written by someone who is not independent of the subject. All references to "several" news organizations "highlighting" racial bias needs to be removed or more sources need to be provided. Furthermore, running an opinion piece that makes claims that are not independently verified by the paper does not make it "highlighting" racial bias in his sentencing. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 23:43, 16 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Still not sure why this is attributed to the Statesman when it's clearly an opinion piece. Also not certain on the notability - still looking into that before I AfD this. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 20:03, 19 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
@Berchanhimez: At first I'm also not so sure in regards to this problem, but looking at the situation right now it will be better if we suggest an article title move instead of AfD (Quintin Jones -> Execution of Quintin Jones) --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 05:04, 20 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Should this article exist at all.....?

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Three opinion pieces, four remaining sources. I think this article doesn't pass WP:ONEEVENT. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 23:57, 16 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Ok. I've think that if this person gets executed we will change it to Death/Execution of Quintin Jones. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 00:04, 17 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 20 May 2021

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Withdrawn. osunpokeh (talk) 19:24, 20 May 2021 (UTC)Reply



Quintin Jones (prisoner)Execution of Quintin Jones – It seems that the subject of this biographical entry is clearly WP:1E and relatively minor, so renaming the article to the event (the execution) may be the appropriate choice here. osunpokeh (talk) 09:45, 20 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Pinging @Jeromi Mikhael as he brought it up in the first place. osunpokeh (talk) 09:47, 20 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
Oppose I agree with Roman Spinner to just rename this article Quintin Jones, just for consistency in naming. Uses x (talkcontribs) 15:11, 20 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
I think the execution is notable enough to have it's own article and be titled with that name, there are other interesting things about this particular execution worth noting such as this was the first execution not to feature any media witness out of all 571 carried out in Texas since 1976, also the longest break in a state execution (not just in Texas) in several decades. The crime Jones was convicted of is not all that notable so I think the focus on the execution is the main point of notability here which is why I support the page being titled "Execution of Quintin Jones". So I stand by my earlier support comment. Inexpiable (talk) 15:30, 20 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
Regarding statistics, we can also glance at the 286 entries under Category:20th-century executions of American people, the 113 entries under Category:19th-century executions of American people, the 20 entries under Category:18th-century executions of American people and the 32 entries under Category:17th-century executions of American people, only one of which (the 1642 Execution of George Spencer) appears to carry the main title header "Execution of..." —Roman Spinner (talkcontribs) 15:46, 20 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
  • Comment / Question – I may be missing something here. I don't think that the individual (Jones) is notable. But, I also don't find his crime/execution to be particularly notable, either. Seems like just another "dime a dozen" murderer on death row who got executed in Texas. How is he / his crime / his execution notable at all? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:00, 20 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
If there is doubt regarding subject's notability, rather than the form of this entry's main title header, then that would need to be voted upon at WP:AfD. Of course, there will be always arguments such as the above-mentioned Wikipedia:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, reminding us that this case has received substantial publicity — more publicity than many of the 160 cases under Category:21st-century executions of American people or the 286 cases under Category:20th-century executions of American people, but each case can be judged on its own merits and consensus will prevail. —Roman Spinner (talkcontribs) 16:48, 20 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Mugshot

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We need to add a mugshot. Article for another executed this year, Dustin Higgs, has a mugshot, so should this article have a mugshot. Someone please add, I tried, and failed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2pacizalive (talkcontribs) 10:20, 20 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

The reason Higgs has a mugshot is because it was a work of the United States federal government, under copyright law, anything created by the US federal government can be used freely. A mugshot of Jones would fall under Texas copyright laws, I don't know therefore if one can be added because the work would be from the TDCJ so it would probably break copyright laws to use a mugshot freely. Any thoughts on this Jeromi Mikhael? Inexpiable (talk) 10:52, 20 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
@Inexpiable: Thank you for notifying me in regards to this matter; I've added a mugshot to the article. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 11:16, 20 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
@Inexpiable: Someone removed the mugshot. Mugshot from texas death row website can be used freely. Shots where he is on an interview are copyright material by the news agency.

NPOV Template

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I've added an NPOV template as per the discussion on In The News: Recent Deaths, as there is concern about advocacy in the article. The obvious things that can be solved are that the section on his crime needs to be expanded, the rationale for his sentence needs to be stated, and the other side of his clemency petition needs to be given. You don't need to believe it, it just needs to be stated. Uses x (talkcontribs) 12:26, 20 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

  • Suggestion: At least part of this could be done through quotes. Its clearly not a good idea to repeat assertions which are not backed up by evidence as fact and often disproven in studies e.g the death penalty reduces violent crime. John Cummings (talk) 13:06, 20 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
Yes, this article is terribly "POV". I was going to make a comment yesterday, about that. But, I didn't have the time to do so. It sounds like it's written by advocates on behalf of Jones and his "cause". It's very POV. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 15:57, 20 May 2021 (UTC)Reply