Talk:Quisling regime

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The result of the move request was move. Jafeluv (talk) 11:46, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

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Nasjonale regjering (1942-1945) → Quisling regime — Although the official name of the government was "nasjonale regjering", many more people will recognize it as the "Quisling regime". Per WP:COMMONNAME. Right now the desired title is a redirect, hence I can not make the move directly. Manxruler (talk) 18:53, 18 September 2009 (UTC) It's also important to change the title due to the article now dealing with a wider time-span than 1942-1945. Manxruler (talk) 17:44, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Support: Use recognizable names in English, when - as here- they exist. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 22:44, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Support and kudos to Manxruler for his improvement of the uppity stub I had created. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 08:43, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Infobox

I added the infobox to the regime simply because IMHO it needs one, since it presented itself as something distinct from the monarchy (although they did not have the time to specify what. Even the most pathetic puppet regimes have a infobox, like World War II Montenegro, which unlike the Quisling regime, did not even have a proper government for most of its existence. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 07:56, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Infobox replaced. The original one added a "country establishment" category to the article, and thus could not stay. Manxruler (talk) 17:46, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Actually, this is a matter of category names (which could be improved or changed). The Quisling regime was distinct from the Kingdom of Norway, pretty much like Vichy France was distinct from the French Third Republic. Being a different regime, the infobox was justified. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 18:03, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

I'd beg to differ. The Quisling regime is not comparable with Vichy France, they are worlds apart with regards to both power (political and military etc.) and independence of action. I think the new info box works fine, and avoids all category problems. Manxruler (talk) 02:12, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I know they are different in many aspects, but it doesn't change the fact that they are both regimes clearly distinct from what preceded. The Quisling regime, colonial context put aside, could be compared to the equally ridiculous State of Burma, which does have an infobox. If the infobox's and the categorie's names pose a problem, they can be renamed, IMHO (for example : Short-lived states and regimes of World War II). The main problem with the current infobox is that it lacks the succession with the previous and next regime. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 11:14, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Still can't agree with that. This is not a case of degrees of "ridiculousness", it's merely a case of this not being a regime with any real power at all. There's no point in having a "previous and next regime" arrangement as the Quisling government was never allowed to assume power. The ambitions were there, the reality not. There was Norway, and Norway was occupied by the Germans, then liberated. There was no real new Norwegian state, just the intention to create one. Manxruler (talk) 01:41, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

That's ambiguous, as it presented itself as a regime distinct from the monarchy. Vichy France never had the time to pass a new constitution either, so it was, during all of its existence, a de facto provisional government/regime (although admittedly more powerful and autonomous than the Quisling regime). The fact that the "Quisling regime" was just an "official" government with no real power is not relevant on the question, or so I think. Since it was officially proclaimed, it did have some kind of de facto existence, and not just as a project. The Hungarian State also has an infobox, and it was more short-lived than the Quisling regime, although more active (please keep in mind that I'm not trying to legitimate Quisling in any way, just to find a logic with the succession boxes. I certainly won't start an argument over this). Apart from this matter, could you please help me with this link ? It seems to indicate that the full official name was "Norges nasjonale regjering" (Norwegian national government) but, not being able to read norwegian, I'm not quite sure about it. Thanks if you can help. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 17:19, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

The info on the government web page would translate into: "Norwegian ministries 1940-1945 under German occupation in Oslo" The relevant passage goes: Norway's "national government": After an agreement had been reached that parts of the responsibility for the civilian powers in Norway was to be transferred from Terboven to a government led by Quisling, the constituted ministers handed in their resignations on 1 February 1942. The resignated ministers then chose Quisling as chief of the government with the title minister president. The next day, 2 February, Quisling appointed a government that was labelled Norway's "national government". With the exception of three new ministers, it consisted of the people who the day before had handed in their resignations as ministers. All were members of the NS. Quisling claimed to now be in possession of "the authority that the Constitution afforded the King and Parliament". On Fridays he would lead the government's "minister meetings" at the Royal Palace, from the King's seat in the state council hall. These meetings ceased in the last few months of the war." Then there's some technical details on the various ministries. Manxruler (talk) 20:31, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 11:45, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Sure. No problem. I'll add it once I have the time. Manxruler (talk) 19:22, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Former country

This article uses "Infobox former country" and is placed into categories "Former countries in Europe", "States and territories established in 1942", and "States and territories disestablished in 1945" and by my understanding this is wrong because Quisling regime was not a "country", but regime/government that governed a country (Norway). Can we change this infobox and these categories? PANONIAN 09:31, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Merging this page with Reichskommissariat Norwegen

I think this page should be merged with Reichskommissariat Norwegen because they both basically cover the same thing. The Quilsing regime was a puppet government of Nazi Germany. Toolen (talk) 23:45, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

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