Talk:Race and crime in the United States
Latest comment: 12 days ago by EvergreenFir in topic This whole article is nonsense
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Semi-protected edit request on 3 November 2023
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Change "; a 2005 study by the American Journal of Public Health observed that the odds of perpetrating violence were 85% higher for blacks compared with whites, with Latino-perpetrated violence 10% lower.[2]"
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Reason: This statement, taken from the American home journal (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States) used alone as it is, is misleading and racist and preceded by a statement that confirms the intent to mislead. The sited study mentioned consisted of a preselected group of people living in Chicago, and not in all of the US as it leaves readers to believe. Also, the admittedly handpicked subjects for the study and the alleged findings were affected by the opinions of others outside of the group surveyed which means the data was compromised. No information was provided to show which other group they picked and if/how they confirmed the responses recieved were not only a reflection of their own prejudices. FixNartt101 (talk) 18:47, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}}template. M.Bitton (talk) 19:19, 3 November 2023 (UTC)- I've removed the content from the lead. The source was added relatively recently, and a weak source should not be used for broad claims, especially in the first paragraph. Grayfell (talk) 19:26, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
- For convenience, here is the study. It directly contextualizes these findings in the abstract:
The odds of perpetrating violence were 85% higher for Blacks compared with Whites, whereas Latino-perpetrated violence was 10% lower. Yet the majority of the Black–White gap (over 60%) and the entire Latino–White gap were explained primarily by the marital status of parents, immigrant generation, and dimensions of neighborhood social context. The results imply that generic interventions to improve neighborhood conditions and support families may reduce racial gaps in violence.
[1] To use this for the "85%" factoid without this context is inappropriate and misrepresents the cited source, as the edit request points out. Grayfell (talk) 19:33, 3 November 2023 (UTC)- It's a self report survey, therefore unreliable. Social desirability appears to affect blacks more than whites regarding illicit activities, this can be evidenced by self reports of drug use and drug test correspondence rates.
- Study below is matched by year with the one cited above.
- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3455900/ 2001:569:7D20:E300:A767:153E:9363:ACE2 (talk) 10:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
This whole article is nonsense
editYou have not included any work done by those on the opposite side. This whole article wants to only site those that blame the greater society for people murdering and raping each other. It's a typical liberal propaganda angle to legitimize crime and downplay the demographics (as inconvenient as it is for the editors).
In the first semi protected comment above me, the OP brought up Roland Fryers EXTENSIVE work,which blew the lid off this whole, "white cops targeting black people".And the editors just totally dismissed it! That right there was a dead give away. Is this wikipedia? Or some activist club that only wants to spread a narrative? 63.143.128.92 (talk) 22:23, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- How topics are covered is determined by weight, that is, the degree of acceptance of different findings in reliable sources, in this case academic sources. Since Fryer's views have no acceptance among experts, they could only be mentioned here as fringe views. It doesn't matter if he is right or not. TFD (talk) 23:50, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- Fryers views are not fringe, look up, Thomas Sowell, Shelby Steele, John Mcwhorter and Heather MacDonalds work on this subject. The article is bias. It's PC journalism that you're using. 63.143.128.92 (talk) 13:24, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- You list two economists, a linguist, an author, and a lawyer as authoritative sources in criminology? Yet you list no criminologists? EvergreenFir (talk) 00:15, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Fryers views are not fringe, look up, Thomas Sowell, Shelby Steele, John Mcwhorter and Heather MacDonalds work on this subject. The article is bias. It's PC journalism that you're using. 63.143.128.92 (talk) 13:24, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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