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Requested move 22 September 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. (non-admin closure) -- Calidum 04:12, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

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• Canadian Broadcasting Corporation → CBC
• CBC → CBC (disambiguation)

– This appears to be the main topic for the name CBC on Wikipedia. —ÐW^(T•C) 23:33, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Note: CBC titles a dab page with content, so it is ineligible unless it is also renamed. This request has been modified to reflect that fact. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 00:46, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Oppose - while CBC is the branding, the full legal name remains Canadian Broadcasting Corporation and that should be the name of the article just as the name of the BBC's article is British Broadcasting Corporation or the article for ABC is American Broadcasting Company. There are cases where we do use the initials such as CBS but in that case the company legal changed its name from Columbia Broadcasting System Inc to CBS Inc in 1974. The CBC has never legally changed its name to its initialism. Similarly, NBC hasn't legally been the National Broadcasting Company for some time. Also, CBC does not have the same recognition internationally and there are a number of other entities that use the CBC initialism. Sowny (talk) 23:46, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

BBC is at BBC, not the full name, and for ABC, both the American and Australian companies have relatively equal claim to primary significance. This issue with ABC is rather unique, and I don't think that's the case for CBC. kennethaw88 • talk 01:29, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

And the Caribbean Broadcasting Corporation? Sowny (talk) 01:56, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Well I don't know about the BBC, perhaps the wikipedia article is wrongly named, but officially the CBC remains the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation so that should be the title. See [1] Conversely, CBS and NBC officially dropped their original names years ago and adopted the initialisms as their official names. CBS is run by the CBS Entertainment Group which in turn is owned by ViacomCBS - officially there hasn't been an entity called the Columbia Broadcasting System since the 1970s. Similarly, NBC is operated by NBC Entertainment, which is owned by NBCUniversal Television and Streaming and there hasn't legally been an entity called the National Broadcasting Company for decades. However, legally there is a Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. Sowny (talk) 02:47, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes, the Caribbean Broadcasting Corporation is also listed at CBC; what's your point? My point is that the comparison to ABC isn't really a good one, because in that case, the usage is roughly evenly split. That is not the case here. For example, here are the relative page views for Canada/Caribbean: [2]. Do you have other evidence that the usage for CBC is not so one-sided? kennethaw88 • talk 04:05, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

You've ignored my main point. Do you have any evidence that the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation is no longer the CBC's legal name the way Columbia Broadcasting System is no longer CBS's legal name? Sowny (talk)

• Oppose Not always known by the initials. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:09, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
  • CBC is overwhelmingly more used than the full name, like probably an order of magnitude.--Ortizesp (talk) 13:37, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
    • It may be used more frequently in Canada, but not around the world. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:30, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

I doubt that usage of the full name is much different outside of Canada or that usage of the full name outside of Canada has a big impact, see: (https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=cbc,%2Fm%2F0hm0k) it is google trends so take it with a grain of salt blindlynx (talk) 20:01, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Curious. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:07, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose first move, support second While there are many media and organizations that use CBC as acronym (ex. Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, Carribean Broadcasting Corporation, Capital Broadcasting Center in Egypt, etc) even in medical terms it has known as Complete blood count, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation is the primary abbreviation for CBC. It was different from 14 years ago when similar RM takes place. Anyone who typing "CBC" in internet will see it as a Canadian one in first result, even in news articles most of them are published by CBC News itself, which based in Canada. So move disambiguation page over redirect would be necessary than just move the page. In other side, first title should be maintained as this as Canadian Broadcasting Corporation is the legal full name of CBC. 180.244.145.224 (talk) 09:14, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
  • You haven't explained what to do with title "CBC": I assume a primary redirect to Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:42, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose as WP:NATDAB per WP:NCBC#Networks. Generally, the change doesn't seem to be a worthwhile improvement. -- Netoholic @ 09:18, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Yes, it's pretty much always known by the acronym.--Ortizesp (talk) 13:36, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per Sowny & Netoholic. I will also say that despite how commonly "CBC" is used in Canada to refer to the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, there are many other prominent uses of the acronym throughout the world, including Complete blood count (medical term), Cannabichromene (chemistry, medicine), Caribbean Broadcasting Corporation (Barbedos), Capital Broadcasting Center (Egypt), and there are various colleges in the US and Canada that use the acronym "CBC". We are supposed to take a global view. I don't think doing so permits us to give prominence to the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation over other "CBCs".--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 20:46, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support per WP:COMMONNAME; WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and the BBC precedent blindlynx (talk) 19:39, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Oppose per Sowny. Metric Supporter 89 (talk) 02:32, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Ownership of the CBC

Is the CBC owned by the Canadian Government, or as a crown corporation, is its ownership something different? Also, is it necessary to placate Canada's right wing political factions by making the outright claim of such ownership such as was done here (and again two edits later after a revert)? Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:59, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

AFAIK, the CBC is funded by the federal government. GoodDay (talk) 19:22, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Crown corporations are state owned enterprises. As CBC is a federally owned crown corporation, it is owned by the Government of Canada. My edit was not done in bad faith and was made with no political motivations. Michael60634 (talk) 19:25, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Funded by does not mean owned by. They are not state-owned. And by definition, and a bit of wikilawyering, they are owned by the crown with the government acting on its behalf.

I never claimed your edit was in bad faith (unlike you who called me a vandal in your revert and on mt talk page) but I do believe that it was done with political motivation. Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:28, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

It is incorrect to say, as was done in the reverted edit, that the owner is the Government of Canada. Crown corporations are, unsurprisingly, owned by the Crown. There is no reason this article would delve into the nature of crown corporations or the broader constitutional structure of Canada.--Trystan (talk) 19:28, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

The CBC is an agent of the Crown in right of Canada, which is an alternative name for the Government of Canada; it holds its property in the name of the Crown in right of Canada; it cannot sell real estate over a certain value without the permission of the federal Cabinet; it can borrow money from the federal government; it needs permission from the federal Minister of Finance to borrow money from other sources; the corporation is composed of the board of directors, all of whom are appointed by the federal Cabinet. Source: Broadcasting Act, Part III: Canadian Broadcasting Corporation.Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 19:39, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

The infobox already indicates that the organization is a crown corporation, so it would be redundant to identify the owner as the Crown in right of Canada, or to indicate that there is government oversight, as those things are inherent in the nature of a crown corporation. Capitalized, the term Government of Canada typically refers to the executive branch, so its use to describe what is more correctly described as the Crown is likely to be misleading to the reader.--Trystan (talk) 20:36, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

It is disingenuous to claim that an edit you disagree with is politically motivated. Michael60634 (talk) 19:37, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

The news & the olympics are basically what's left, in terms of what CBC broadcasts, now. GoodDay (talk) 19:41, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

On TV, Murdoch Mysteries and much more. On radio, it is unsurpassed.

Also, re-reading what I wrote above, I can see how Michael60634 could assume I was suggesting that the editor was allied with a political viewpoint. I simply meant to write that this is the viewpoint of a certain political faction. I have no way of knowing the editor's political affiliation. Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:48, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

I would strongly recommend linking to Crown corporations of Canada, and be done with it in this article. That's what wikilinks are meant to do. PKT(alk) 20:29, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

There is already a piped link to Crown corporations of Canada, at the top of the infobox under "Type".--Trystan (talk) 20:36, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

"Radio-Canada" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Radio-Canada has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 30 § Radio-Canada until a consensus is reached. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 23:00, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Memorable programming

this spot would describe some of the great shows, such as Beachcombers, King of Kensington, Front Page Challenge 2605:B100:142:43B1:2411:DEFF:FEFF:596A (talk) 02:34, 21 September 2024 (UTC)