Talk:Armenian genocide recognition

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Armenian Genocide recognition map

Please add Mexico to the map. The Mexican Senate officially recognized the Armenian Genocide a few days ago. Thank you!

Please remove Denmark from the map. Denmark hasn't recognized the Armenian Genocide. Thank you!

According to the source Denmark recognized the “deportations, massacres and other atrocities” that had been committed against the Armenian population Anatolia in 1915-1923, but they did not recognize the term "genocide". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.23.239.207 (talk) 11:09, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Map "Countries that explicitly deny that there was an Armenian Genocide" Please rewrite it by "Countries that explicitly deny the Armenian Genocide" Thank you! Beno13AM (talk) 00:27, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Pinging buidhe, the map's creator. Are you still interested in keeping this updated? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 00:32, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

I added Mexico. The image description already has a source for Denmark. (t · c) buidhe 07:10, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

According to the source, Denmark does not recognize the term "genocide". They recognize “deportations, massacres and other atrocities”, but it is not correct that Denmark has recognized the Armenian Genocide. 89.23.239.207 (talk) 11:13, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Ongoing edits

For the record, I agree with the edits Willbb234 is making, and I suspect buidhe does too. I think that's sufficient WP:CONSENSUS to override Archives908's objections. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:45, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

I've been waiting 5 months for a reply from to you. Care to respond above? Maybe you can provide (in detail) what this "consensus" entails? Archives908 (talk) 12:44, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

You've got consensus entirely backwards. The content needs consensus to keep it. Not every act of recognition is suitable for inclusion in an encyclopedia and of those that are, not all are wp:due for this article. It needs to be dramatically cut and rewritten based on scholarship. (t · c) buidhe 17:19, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Gruesome?

I've just reverted an IP who removed the word "gruesome" from a description of the genocide (in #Japan: ...was not involved in the European front of the conflict as Japanese activities concentrated around China and other Asian territories. However, during the gruesome genocide, the Japanese had first reported about it...). As I mentioned in the edit summary, killing 1.5 million people is pretty gruesome, but I'm not sure it does fit the neutral point of view even though most people would probably agree that the Armenian genocide was in fact gruesome. I've self-reverted for now as a result and opened this talk page discussion because I'm not the most knowledgeable on the subject. IMO, it sounds like something that should be said, but in wikivoice. Thoughts? LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 17:31, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Personally, I don't know how this word is adding to reader understanding. And while most people would agree that mass murder is gruesome, there is no need to pick words that may compromise Wikipedia:IMPARTIAL tone. (t · c) buidhe 01:01, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Israeli recognition of the genocide

I initiated this discussion because user:Firefangledfeathers and user:Archives908 removed the Israeli recognition from the article. The Israeli Minister of Foreign Affairs recently officially recognised the Armenian genocide through a tweet. He published the tweet as an official statement in both Hebrew and English. The minister, responsible for managing foreign affairs, holds the authority to recognize such events. Historically, no other Israeli minister, especially not one in charge of foreign affairs, has made an official statement on the Armenian genocide. Israeli media covered this significant announcement [1] [2]. Some journalists even suggested that Turkey might cut its relations with Israel because of the statement. 81.199.249.44 (talk) 20:27, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

cc @Firefangledfeathers @Archives908

(i wont partake in this dispute,I want this resolved) DarmaniLink (talk) 20:40, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

A tweet by one government official IS NOT official national recognition. That can only be done if the Israeli parliament passes legislation recognizing the events as a genocide. I will not entertain this ludicrous discussion. Archives908 (talk) 20:52, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

The question of whether a state recognizes a genocide or not isn't dependent on parliamentary legalization. It's evident that you don't understand Israeli politics and the minister's authority. For instance, the U.S. Congress recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel in 1995, but it was only in 2017 that Trump officially recognized it as the capital and relocated the embassy in 2018. 81.199.249.44 (talk) 21:01, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Neither source you link describes Katz's tweet as the government of Israel formally recognizing the Armenian genocide. Wikipedia should not be the first source to do so. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 21:08, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Here is Ariel Kahana, a famous Israeli journalist, explaining that this was an official recognition and the first statement ever made by an Israeli minister on this topic. 81.199.249.44 (talk) 21:17, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't think you're interpreting that tweet correctly, and it wouldn't be a strong source regardless. Let's wait and see how national and international news media cover this. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 21:21, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

I doubt that international media would cover this. Here is another Israeli Journalist saying this statement was an official recognition of the genocide. 81.199.249.44 (talk) 21:24, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

I said I'd stay out of this, but, wanna just wait a day or two and see if it gets any intl. coverage? Given how much israel is in the news cycle right now, its possible it'll happen. DarmaniLink (talk) 21:27, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

That's exactly what I want to do. To be clear, even prominent national coverage would probably merit at least a mention. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 23:03, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Agreed! Archives908 (talk) 23:34, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Alright, so this seems like a matter of WP:TOOSOON then :)

User:81.199.249.44 Agree? Wait a day or two and revisit this? DarmaniLink (talk) 23:47, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Ottoman recognition of the genocide

Hi, I was looking at the Armenian version of this page and saw that they included the Ottoman Empire in their list. I was wondering whether the Ottoman Empire should be added onto the list of countries that recognised the genocide or at least on a separate list with Artsakh and Libya. Thank You Spino-Soar-Us (talk) 11:25, 11 November 2024 (UTC)