Talk:Red Velvet – Irene & Seulgi

Notability

Sorry, but I'm quite confused here. The group quite clearly meets WP:NBAND as they have charted on a national chart. All four of the album chart positions listed are in the top 15, and the Korean chart is No. 2! There's no reason this arricle should have been declined. Alex (talk) 23:21, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Agreed, but as the reviewer asked for a discussion to be posted on the parent talk page of this article, I have since posted a discussion here about their notability. Abdotorg (talk) 14:16, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Red Velvet - Irene & Seulgi notability

Per Robert McClenon's comments on Draft:Red Velvet - Irene & Seulgi here I will start a discussion of RV-I&S's notability by going through the twelve points of WP:NMG. Per point (1) the article has been subject to "multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable" such as Korea JoongAng Daily, Forbes, Time, Billboard, Chosun etc. - a simple google news search produces 37,800 results in Korean and 29,400 results in English alone (of course not all are reliable). Per point (2) They have had there album, Monster, chart on Korea's major chart, Gaon, where it peaked at #2, it also charted high on Billboard's world albums chart and heatseekers album chart, and even made the UK's digital chart. As for the singles, the lead single "Monster" peaked at #8 on Gaon and #7 on Billboard world. Although the second single "Naughty" failed to chart on Gaon it did peak higher than the former on Billboard world, and as you can see both of these singles and the album have Wikipedia pages already with reasonable notability. Per point (3) I am unaware of them having a RIAK cetificate, but it seems as if it does not. Per point (4) the duo have not toured probably because of the way the Korean entertainment industry works tour wise but it could also be because of COVID-19. Per point (5) they have released only one album, so fail. Per point (6), the duo is made of of two already notable member of the parent group Red Velvet, where they have been members for six years, they have also acted (Irene) and released music as a collaborator/featured artist (Seulgi), respectively (note that they both have Wikipedia pages already because they are indeed notable). Per point (7) this one looks like a solid fail. Per point (8) the year end awards have not yet released nominations, but I am sure that they will be nominated for some major awards, but obviously this is not a WP:CRYSTALBALL. Looks like point (9), (10) and (12) are fails as well, I am unsure about point (11) since I do not listen to South Korean radio but it is likely that "Monster" was rotated considering its high charting on Gaon.

So reviewing all of the points I just went over, it looks like they pass 3/12, which in hindsight seems like bare minimum, but it is a top 3 album on a country's major chart. And in my opinion, significant coverage, major charting and notable members is enough to make this article notable, also noting that the album, the singles and the members all already have articles. However I understand if other users consider waiting for possible award wins for further notability to be reasonable. Abdotorg (talk) 16:05, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Strongly support move to mainspace – As per WP:NMG as long as the article meets at least 1 of the 12 criteria then it's consider notable, and since it meets 3-4 (point 1, 2, 6, 11) criteria then it shouldn't be merged into this article. Furthermore, what we can do is expand on the history section and also wait for the year-end awards shows happening next month (no harm doing so since it's currently in draft mode). And fyi, we can also compare the article to Girls' Generation-Oh!GG. The only main differences is the length of the history section, other than that it's pretty similar. Paper9oll | Talk:(Paper9oll) 16:46, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

I am unsure if you have misunderstood the reason for the discussion. Just to confirm: I am proposing that the Irene & Seulgi draft be moved into the mainspace. Abdotorg (talk) 17:11, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes I'm fully aware of what you're saying and have since make changes from strongly oppose merge to strongly oppose merge or delete. In case, you don't get it, I support move to mainspace. Paper9oll | Talk:(Paper9oll) 17:30, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

To avoid confusion for everyone, I have decided to change from strongly oppose merge or delete to strongly support move to mainspace. Paper9oll | Talk:(Paper9oll) 17:41, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Strongly support move to mainspace As Korean, I can say that criteria 11,12 suits well. Their song was performed by SBS, KBS, MBC, which is national-wide broadcast system in South Korea. -- Wendylove (talk) 02:42, 24 November 2020 (UTC)