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Requested move 13 February 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: This is a case of WP:NOGOODOPTIONS as no one favors the current name, while opinions are split between "Tarifit" and "Rifian language". I am going to close as the former as editors have cited authoritative English-language sources using it. (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 23:40, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

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Riffian language → Rifian language – I think of the two valid English language spellings the single F version matching the Rifian language spelling makes it the more valid English language spelling TheRifian (talk) 16:21, 13 February 2021 (UTC) —Relisting. Andrewa (talk) 18:44, 25 February 2021 (UTC) —Relisting. ~ Aseleste_{charge-parity}^time 15:00, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

• Would be WP:CONSISTENT with Talk:Rifians#Requested move 25 January 2021. However, "Tarifit" is very common in sources and is the one Ethnologue and Britannica use. – Thjarkur (talk) 19:49, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
  • Tarifit is not an English language word. TheRifian (talk) 21:25, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
    • It is if it's used in English language sources such as the Ethnologue. Andrewa (talk) 18:44, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
      • English language sources using it doesn't necessarily make it an English language word as they could just be using the actual Rifian language word. TheRifian (talk) 19:39, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

• Relisting comment: See here for the history of Tarifit (archived there in case we are about to overwrite it with another move) and especially the many moves this already indicates. Hopefully this RM will lead to stability. Andrewa (talk) 18:44, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

• Seems okay - NGRAMS are basically tied except for a weird surge in the 1930s. [1] Red Slash 23:39, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
  • Exactly so my argument is that the single F version being the correct spelling in the language itself is the tiebreaker. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheRifian (talk • contribs) 01:12, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
• Weak support The references cited so far don't overwhelmingly favour this spelling, but it doesn't make sense to keep this here if we already have Rifians. 162.208.168.92 (talk) 16:03, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
  • Keeping in mind that both being equally common in the English language means it is ambiguous, when you take into account that the single F version is more common in/amongst the Rifian language itself/the Rifian people themselves (Which is/are surely the authority on the spelling of what it's/they're called), that makes it decisive. TheRifian (talk) 22:31, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

That's not how an exonym works. It's also not how WP:PLACE works. That being said, I don't think the other options proposed are overwhelmingly preferable. 162.208.168.92 (talk) 15:56, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

I'm not saying that's how an exonym works - I'm saying it is an exonym based on how an exonym does work anyway (This alone makes it equally as accurate as the double F option) and it is the closest of all the exonyms to the endonym as well (It being an exonym along with this in addition makes it more accurate than the double F option). And as for the Wikipedia naming convention guideline, it is if it's a modern widely accepted English language name. In fact I'd make the argument that it's also in favour of the guideline because it would help disambiguate it from this Riffian. It also matches the place. TheRifian (talk) 22:48, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

• Comment someone can go ahead and move this, there is no minimum participation requirement for RMs Red Slash 06:46, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

• Relisting comment: (Non-administrator comment) While I think closing this as moved to Rifian language is in line with consensus as there looks like there is no real objection to the rename (For Þjarkur, it looks like they suggested Tarifit but was not strictly against the rename to Rifian language per wp:consistent.), it would be better if participants address Tarifit as an alternative destination so that the resulted title can be more stable if the request is not closed as no consensus. ~ Aseleste_{charge-parity}^time 15:00, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
• Move to Tarifit per Þjarkur. Since it has been demonstrated that high-quality English sources such as Britannica prefer the "native" name Tarifit, there is little reason for us to use a different term. BBC News have also used Tarifit so the assertion that it is not English is not correct.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:45, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

As I said - English sources using it doesn't necessarily make it an English word as they could just be explicitly using the actual Rifian word instead. Especially when you take into account that English sources do also use Rifian, which we do know for sure is an English word. TheRifian (talk) 21:53, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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