Talk:Bob Marshall (Virginia politician)

Conceptual Failure of Wikipedia Overall

I agree with the comment below, but more with the overall concept.

It is not in keeping with any concept of an encyclopedia and the supposed purpose of Wikipedia to simply list a very biased (and inaccurate) parade of controversies.

I realize and sympathize with the procedural realities that anything controversial more easily comes to mind and comes to attention and therefore it is natural for something controversial to be an easy (some would say "cheap shot") topic to come to someone's attention.

But a true encyclopedia and any worthy or worthwhile reason for Wikipedia to exist must focus on what is SIGNIFICANT and IMPORTANT, not necessarily flashy or controversial. This is somewhat like the difference between what is "urgent" versus what is "important."

Some things might be -- if they were true (many things on this page are false, but just saying) -- controversial... yet entirely lacking in significance.

So let's say George Patton won many battles in World War 2 in astonishing ways and in displays of amazing skill, bravery, and determination. And then he also asked a girl to dance after having had a drink too many, and got slapped.

The former is significant and worthy of an encyclopedia presentation. The latter is insignificant entirely and is little more than gossip (even if it were true).

Here, for example, mention is made about a gavel. Even if the description were true - it is at best misrepresented so badly as to be essentially a lie -- why is it included at all? It is gossip.

So too often Wikipedia about people is nothing more than gossip. I realize that it is much easier to sit down and REMEMBER controversial things as a starting point of what to say. I do sympathize. But I think it is a danger if Wikipedia is to have any value. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.208.137.50 (talk) 04:07, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Untitled

Since we're going to talk about delegate Marshall's legislation on this page, I think it's worth talking about all of it rather than only a few selected items. I'd suggest a summary of important pieces if we want to dive into this in more detail, but we're going to have to be careful to preserve NPOV given whose footprints are all over this page. If anyone disagrees, feel free to chime in and let's work this out. Gletiecq 15:48, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

An unregistered user added as a link the campaign website of someone else. That information might be better suited to an article on that individual, and is not relevant to an encyclopedia article on Bob Marshall. I am removing the reference, but welcome any discussion if anyone feels this isn't the right thing to do. So far I haven't seen any opponents of other political figures getting advertising on their opponent's wiki pages, but if I'm wrong I'd appreciate someone pointing this out as a rationale for including this information. Gletiecq 03:20, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

BLP Problems

There has been a large amount of unsourced derogatory information added to this page which I am removing under the BLP Guidelines. Feel free to reinclude it if the information can be properly cited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gletiecq (talk • contribs) 12:44, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Immigration Panel

Added section on the Immigration Panel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laxmatt (talk • contribs) 05:51, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

The added sentences in the immigration section lack sources. I am deleting sentences until sources can be provided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.114.40.175 (talk • contribs) 17:13, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Esteban

Someone keeps removing information about Bob Marshall's legislation and its impact one Virginian, Deena Esteban. The only reason sited was an apparent mailer by Bob Marshall's campaign. As a political mailer, it cannot be considered a reliable source for the removal of such information. The mailer sidesteps Esteban completely by only referring to HB351, which bans firearms in public parks; it is HB350 that bans firearms on public property. The mailer also claims the legislation only applies to individuals using firearms in a threatening manner, but neither the original legislation (HB350 and HB351) nor their incorporated form (HB395) mention any such provision. I have reverted the edits. Queerudite (talk) 13:47, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

The Deena Esteban information is not relevant to a biographical page for Robert Marshall, but better suited to a website discussing whatever the merits of HB351 may or may not be. While the allure of attacking people's positions on a bio page may be considerable for some, it's not consistent with BLP and NPOV guidelines. Gletiecq (talk)

NVTA and Regional Taxing Authorities

I updated the section entitled NVTA to include the supreme court ruling and expanded the scope since the legislation dealt with more than just a single taxation authority in Northern Virginia. There may be benefit in discussing what happened in the wake of the HB3202 debacle, but that probably doesn't belong on a biographical page. Gletiecq (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 15:26, 12 December 2008 (UTC).

NPOV issues

The only citiation for the "no confidence resolution" is a blog entry. Unless it can be substantiated better, that section should be removed. Gletiecq (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 15:37, 12 December 2008 (UTC).

Disabled children controversy

Please do not put the information about the controversy in February of this year involving comments regarding disabled children in "Abortion and Birth Control", as it should be in the controversy section, as the statement did cause CONTROVERSY. I understand how the statement could be perceived as being appropriately placed in the abortion section, and it is open to debate, but I strongly suggest that it be kept where it is.--BLM Platinum (talk) 02:37, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Also, although it should seem obvious, please do not post the ENTIRE quote. Somebody has already tried to do this, and a full paragraph (including him greeting the audience) is not necessary to illustrate what Marshall said. --BLM Platinum (talk) 17:14, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Where is Marshall's defense of his statement by saying his comments were taken out of context? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdhunt (talk • contribs) 08:01, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

• Do it yourself. This is, after all, Wikipedia. ~BLM Platinum (talk) 14:17, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Article title

Any reason this page shouldn't be at Bob Marshall (Virginia politician)? While he is sometimes referred to as Robert, his own web site shows a clear preference for Bob. As a Virginian, if you mention "Bob Marshall" to me, I'll know exactly who you're talking about. "Robert Marshall" I wouldn't know without context. --BDD (talk) 16:02, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Moving page

I was going to make this an WP:RM, but the more I thought about it, the less controversial I thought the move would be. It's a sure WP:COMMONNAME case. Since he's a politician, relevant precedents include Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Jim Gilmore, and even Mitt Romney. His site uses "Bob" exclusively, and unless things have changed significantly in Virginia since I moved six months ago, he is known as Bob Marshall in the press. I can see the appeal of the current title, since it doesn't require a qualifier, but it fails the other parts of the WP:TITLE nutshell. Page moved to Bob Marshall (Virginia politician). --BDD (talk) 19:39, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Ha, I hadn't even noticed my comment above from last year. Well, especially hearing no opposition to the idea, I feel confident in this move. --BDD (talk) 19:56, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

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