Talk:Robinho

Robinho has signed for Besiktas

Unable to edit the main page due tot he security settings: http://blogs.bettor.com/Robinho-signs-for-Besiktas-a22406 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.219.132.84 (talk) 13:30, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Robinho has not signed with any club yet, even the web blog you provide as a source which is unreliable, states that he is close to joining Besiktas, but that is just a rumour, yet, anyways. Some editor should edit the current club and club history parts and change them back to Manchester City as it can not be done by outsiders due to the semi-protected status of the page. --178.244.204.20 (talk) 07:57, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Extending the Article

Has anyone thought of extending the article, the player deserves a better one than this —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bulkroosh (talk • contribs) 21:10, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

About his age

First of all I'd like to point out, that personaly I don't have a specific opinion on the issue of his age. Apparently as some users claimed he stated on "Real Madrid TV" he was 19 making his year of birth 1988. Official sources (and that's still what counts on Wikipedia) state his year of birth as 1984 (which currently makes him 23). Unless the official sources get changed (which I highly doubt) he was born in 1984. This is what the Wikipedia article has to reflect, nothing else.
About the reasons for claiming to be only 19 one can only speculate. However it's likely that in a sport where with 30 people think your pretty old there is a tendency to make oneself younger (a lot of stars as well as normal people do that when stating their age).
But just because you wish to be 19 doesn't mean you actualy are. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, we deal in facts, not in wishes.
1redrun ^Talk 10:24, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Besides, "I saw it on TV" is not a verifiable claim. Alexf^{(Talk/Contribs)} 10:28, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

FIFA.COM lists his birthdate as 25/01/1984 (Jan 25, 1984) when listing Brazil's roster for the 2006 World Cup. I don't know if this is documentation enough or not, but 1988 is clearly wrong. If he was born in 1988, he would have been 14 when he was an instrumental player in Santos' National Championship run in the fall or 2002...Galen13 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Galen13 (talk • contribs) 18:17, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Robinho nickname at some sites/newspapers

It`s not necessary to add it to the article but some sites/newspapers, especially the Brazilian football news site Futebol do Interior [1] nickname him Ingrato (ungrateful one) [2] because he turned his back to Santos when he was trying to leave the club to join Real Madrid. He intentionally missed 1 month of training and Brazilian League matches during that period. PMLF 05:24, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Robinho the black pearl

Although real madrid are the best team in the world because of the 9 champion league record i think they should play robinho right wing. His creativity, pace and STEP-OVERS will really help him, it will also help him to get into the brazil squad because brazil are known to make a lot of world class strikers and they lack right mids. David Beckham aint really doing that well playing right mid, i saw robinho play, he's got good crosses which is very usefull there.

That may be but this is not a message board, it's a discussion of the article. Maybe you could find some articles that suggest this and include this in the article? It is an interesting idea Oreo man 19:05, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

"Maradona peaked at a much younger age than Pele "

I deleted this because it's 100% false. With 17 years old Pele won the world cup and was considered the best player in the world. A 19 year old Maradona was not even called for the 78 world cup.

External Links

What happened to all the external links? some of the websites had very informative pieces which complimented the article. Can somebody help me put them back?

I removed them because most were just fan sites. If there is specific information on those sites, then add it to the article and cite the site as the source. Clearing out the official pages was an accident, so thank you for putting those back. --SparqMan 19:57, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Arrival

It says he joined his fellow Brazilians including Cicinho, who didnt arrive until 6 months After Robinho.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was no consensus to move —Mets501 (talk) 03:58, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

Robson de Souza → Robinho or Robinho Paulista — Someone moved the page because the name Robinho not unique. But the currently Real Madrid player famous enough to just shorten to one word likes Ronaldo. Matthew_hk tc 11:38, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Survey

Add  * '''Support'''  or  * '''Oppose'''  on a new line followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.

Oppose - Better to leave at his actual name, unless he is only known by the nickname. Certainly that "Paulista" is wrong. -- Beardo 16:34, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Support - Brazilian soccer players go by one name and in the context of the world game, Robinho refers only to one individual, the one in question. If in the future there are other Robinho's, in Brazilian fashion they will get something added to distinguish them (i.e. Ronaldinho Gaucho, Juninho Pernanbucano, etc).Galen13 15:55, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

Add any additional comments:

• Paulista is the Demonym of Sao Paulo state. It use to disambiguate people, likes Juninho Matthew_hk tc 11:40, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

• • I checked, there is many Robson de Souza, with different middle names. Matthew_hk tc 16:36, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

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Birth Place

Is the São Vicente where Robinho was born in the São Paulo state or the one in Rio Grande do Norte? I am assuming São Paulo. Can someone confirm this and make the change? Galen13 16:00, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

He was born in São Vicente, São Paulo state, according to the Brazilian Football Confederation. --Carioca 06:52, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Stats

His stats for the 2006-07 season don't add up correctly.

Robinho Aresnal Move

I have found no info on the Net about Robinho moving to Arsenal in exchange for Reyes. I think the last part in the Media coverage about this should be removed as there are no sources mentioned about this. Grahambo2005 11:47, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 08:43, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Shame on Wikipedia.

Some writers decided that Robinho's era in Real Madrid had already ended. And to our surprise, Robinho eventually stays in Madrid. What can you say about that? (I'm talking about previous versions that stated in the template that Robinho's part in Madrid is from 2005 to 2008) HaGamal 20:43, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Disagree. What happens is that you have many over-eager editors, plus vandals thrown in for good measure, that report rumors, or invent them, even though they are repeatedly told that rumors are not encyclopedic and transfers only happen when contracts are signed and they can show reliable sources. Happens to many players' articles when the transfer windows are open. It's a constant battle to keep these articles clean during those times. What can you do? You can help by watchlisting these players, trying to revert, and explain to the editors why we need reliable sources. -- Alexf⁴² 21:15, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

He's Gone

A Source In Spanish But Pretty Clear Stating That He Has Gone To Man City [3] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whittlepedia (talk • contribs) 22:11, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

There is an official communication on the Madrid site.[4] Now if someone would just stop deleting it... Chelseabob (talk) 22:28, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Just because a club has an agreement to sell a player doesn't make him transferred already. The player has to sign a contract with the new club. There's no proof yet that Robinho has agreed to sign with Manchester City. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.100.18.77 (talk) 22:36, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Hasnt gone yet, window shut, no announcement. makes him a real madrid player in my eyes. revert? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.56.125.24 (talk) 23:09, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

The deal has been confirmed by both clubs and managers. Just because the deal wasn't announced before the midnight deadline doesn't mean that it wasn't completed in time. DJDannyP//Talk2Me 23:12, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

He's signed, but it says "playing for Manchester City" which is not correct - he hasn't done so yet. He has signed for them but has not yet played for them. 91.108.16.194 (talk) 23:13, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

City move

Please only used sourced information, especially at a time such as this, when lots of people will be visiting the page, and Wikipedia should seek to maintain its highest standards. Yohan euan o4 (talk) 23:40, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

C.F.'s and F.C.'s

Why have we got all these in the team names? It seems a bit redundant for an article that is unmistakably about football. People normally just say Santos, Real Madrid, Chelsea, and Manchester City, and it's unambiguous enough. Rameses The Ram (talk) 22:25, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Because some football teams have very similar names, where only the CF's, FC's, AC's and so on are the difference in names. To avoid any confusion, it's better to choose the correct term. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonaslind (talk • contribs) 16:52, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

£160,000 a week?

since any talk of wages is speculative, should this be included? i keep deleting it but it keeps popping back up....... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.2.19.50 (talk) 22:50, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Inconsistance

On the personal information box it says:

Santos - 104 appearances, 44 goals Real Madrid - 109 appearances, 36 goals Manchester City - 16 appearances, 11 goals

However at the "Statistics" bit it says:

In the league: Real Madrid - 101 appearances, 25 goals

One of them must be wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.41.202.111 (talk) 17:49, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

They probably are. The statistics on sports articles often are, as they sometimes don't get updated. I had a look back through the page history, but I coundn't find where it went wrong.Lord Cornwallis (talk) 18:32, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

'GINGA'

Isn't this vandalism? Robinho is one of those exceptional players who has an unrelentingly creative command of the ball at his feet, a rhythmic freedom of movement known in Brazil as 'GINGA', a gifted first touch and eye for goal, and the compelling audacity to enroll any defenders who face him in his personal 'fantasy futbol' clinic.

It was added quite recently too. I'd get rid of it but I'm not sure. Spiderone (talk) 14:02, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I've removed it. It was non-neutral, unsourced and veered far too much towards commentary to stay in the article - particularly in the lead. Lord Cornwallis (talk) 14:10, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

2009/10 Season

Information needs to be added about his form from August 2009 to January 2010. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.133.194.152 (talk) 17:04, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Robinho's move to Manchester City

The article is not correct. The part that describes his move in the summer of 2008 is false or at the very least not verified and MUST be edited because it provides misleading information.

Firstly, about his contract, Real Madrid management tried to renew his contract but the two parties couldn't agree cause Madrid weren't willing to triple (!) his wage. Robinho demanded that wage cause he had talked with Chelsea who had promised him that contract. That's how the whole summer saga started. Madrid wouldn't bulk under the pressure unless Robinho came out publicly to demand an exit. The whole exchange deal for Ronaldo was a story written by Marca, a story that was never verified and chances are it was a fabrication whose purpose was to decrease Calderon's popularity.

After the "I want to leave" statements, there was absolutely no chance Robinho would play for Real Madrid again, he instantly became a traitor to many Madridistas and was even verbally attacked by fans. At the final week of the transfer period everyone was convinced Madrid and Chelsea would agree on the amount but that didn't happen for various reasons. In the very final hours of the transfer period Manchester City made an unexpected offer of 42 millions euro (40 of them cash!) that Madrid instantly accepted and so did Robinho who had no other option really. The whole deal happened so late that the contract was signed before even Robinho got the chance to pass a medical test. A few days later Robinho sacked his agent, a clear indication that the Brazilian was very upset at the final turn of events. He went from playing for the most successful football club in the world to playing for a club that hardly anyone knew outside Britain. All that after having his best season ever. Rumor has it, Robinho thought he had signed for Manchester United before finding out there was another club in Manchester. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.210.253.7 (talk) 18:43, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Spokesperson during his arrest and subsequent exoneration

I added a small detail in his personal life section about his arrest for serious sexual assault and the decision of the police not to charge him, citing his management spokesperson during the time. It was a small detail, but I felt it worth noting. Reference to his spokesperson at this important time have been removed, but can we not find a form of phraseology that is acceptable to all? He is a public figure, it was cited repeatedly in the press and is worth noting. (JaySorrels (talk) 19:13, 18 May 2010 (UTC)).

As I said it my edit summary when removing the item the first time, "if an accusation from which no charges resulted deserves encyclopedia space at all, which personally I doubt, it should be a sentence stating plainly what happened". When you re-added the item, including the phrase "frenzy of media interest" and devoting as much space to the player's spokesperson as to the incident itself, I cut it down to two sentences stating plainly what happened. The important facts are that there was an allegation and no charges were brought. The name and company of the person who spoke to the press on the player's behalf really isn't important. Struway2 (talk) 20:11, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

definitely the writer is not Brazilian, has a lack of knowledge of Robinho's career... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.6.44.252 (talk) 04:53, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

"currently plays for Premier League side Manchester City"?

Can that really be considered true? When was the last time he played for them and indeed, will he ever? Feudonym (talk) 05:44, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Santos goals 2nd time around

http://www.santosfc.com.br/futebol/elenco/jogador.asp?i=1

Brasileiro 2010 (Santos FC) 2 jogos 0 gols

Paulista 2010 (Santos FC) 12 jogos 5 gols

Paulista is the state tournament. As wiki only counts the national leagues then he then only played 2 games and zero goals in 2010. Thats from the official Santos FC website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.54.47.246 (talk) 06:37, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

missing stats

Who was the idiot that removed Robinho's Paulista stats? He score way more than 11 goals in 21 apps in 2010.

Whoever did the Stats for Neymar and Paolo Henrique should come and do it for Robinho: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neymar_da_Silva http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulo_Henrique_Chagas_de_Lima —Preceding unsigned comment added by PrescriptionDeath (talk • contribs) 11:58, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

I agree that was stupid. 74.13.85.220 (talk) 15:17, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Shouldn't it be [ʁuˈbĩɲu] really? Or is [xoˈbĩj̃u] specific to where he was born/brought up? Stephen MUFC (talk) 14:27, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

I think it was me who added it at first, so I will explain.

The first pronunciation in Brazil gives RUBINHO (Rubens Barichello), short for RUBENS instead of Robson (the latter is not an usual Portuguese name, I don't make any idea of how the Portuguese pronounce it). The onset rhotics are pronounced variously with voiced, de-voiced and voiceless fricatives, trills and approximants in the 7 most European-descended UFs of Brazil (RS, SC, PR, SP, RJ, ES, DF), with a preferrence for velar and uvular positions and the trill (actually I think it is a trilled fricative, we don't do it like the Germans, it sounds like a very unusually thick Spanish accent) being dominant only in Rio de Janeiro city and surrounding areas (but it is actually tens of times more common in the coda, as in karma, rather than in the onset, as in rádio), and with fricatives elsewhere, with a dominance for the voiceless glottal transition (though people from poor peripheries and favelas often have northern accents in such minor phonotactic and allophonic variations). The second vowel is actually the vowel of song (US) rather than the vowel of motion (US). South/southeastern English speakers may use both the vowel of raw and that of cot (but not that of coat, that in Portuguese sounds as if they were trying – and far from succeding – to say "eu" or "ão").

Finally, though transcriptions should stick both to [ɲ], [j̃] is the Brazilian and often Polish and Portuguese realization of /ɲ/, while [ɲ] is the Brazilian and non-artificial Portuguese realization of [nj] or /n/ before [i] (interesting information for you who likes Linguistics: [w] and [j] are not consonant phonemes in Portuguese, just non-syllabic allophones of the vowels; it makes no sense whatsoever for us to distinguish the two, so you will find weird pronunciations such as "ee-unkie" for yankee and "oo-awteh-rr" for water, and arguments with English speakers that those two are consonants with vowel sounds rather than "true consonants" – something to which I agree, actually English and caipira ar is semivowel too, the only difference between porta and poita in some Brazilian dialects is that the first has alveolar or retroflex approximants rather than the palatal one of the second; flaps, taps, ells and even trills are also kinda vocalic in nature, though more consonantal than those, that is why when cariocas started to use French ar in the 19th century educated classes elsewhere in Brazil adopted it, fricatives are pure consonants so they make a much more sharp contrast to vowels in coda positions, just as ell also became a diphthong because of our intolerance to this thing of being "sit in the wall", that is why according to people from Rio in those accents they use vowels in the r, something to which everyone that has tap or flap instead of fricative disagree because they actually hear the difference better as they are more used to such sounds, in parts of Rio Grande do Sul and Paraná people, as in Spanish/Portugal and English respectively, conservated both). Lguipontes (talk) 00:56, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

€24

That cheap? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.34.33 (talk) 22:03, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Change the article image

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oh hi there, i would introducing new images for the article. To give it a better look in this 2017. If they agree, well, if not, no problem. Just revert it, but please, let me know if it's not too much to ask — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brazilianjogobonito (talk • contribs) 01:56, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Breaking events

Well, reverted to pre-breaking event version and was going to protect to allow a discussion to unfold. Was partially protected, so I guess y'all can sort it out after all. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 19:46, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

His career did not end yet, since it was sentenced by Italy, he just can't go to Italy or country with rights to arrest him. Just like the case of Mancini (Brazilian footballer). Matthew_hk tc 06:44, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Since he lost two contracts and is currently an free agent, his career isn't continued yet. Also his personal website robinhoofficial.com.br isn't online anymore.

Things should be named as what they are, not naming the cause of the sentence in the header is common to other similar cases (Mancini).

He can't travel anywhere inside the EU with beeing sure not getting arrested. https://e-justice.europa.eu/content_european_enforcement_order-54-en.do — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angerdan (talk • contribs) 2018-01-01T13:39:12 (UTC)

Free agent can receive international call-up. For speculation of his future career, is entirely WP:OR Matthew_hk tc 13:46, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi, just one thing: in Italy "a defendant shall be considered not guilty until a final sentence has been passed" (Article 27 of the Constitution). It's not a technicality. There will certainly be an appeal trial, which is a real new trial, and therefore the judgment of the Court of Cassation. This is just to say that defining Robinho in the incipit as a sex offender, identifying him in the same way of the footballer, is largely exaggerated and, to date, is certainly out of place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.246.80.104 (talk) 21:27, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

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"is a Brazilian professional footballer who plays a forward for Santos" Shouldn't it say, "is a Brazilian professional footballer who plays a forward for Santos and convicted rapist" until he faces the courts in Italy? I mean he's as much a convicted rapist as he is a "professioneal footballer". One is at least real while the other is kicking a plastic object around. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.73.33.20 (talk) 12:33, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Totally agree with the preceding comment. He is now a convicted rapist, convicted by Italian court on the rape of an Albanian 22-year-old. It is sourced in newspapers from the whole world (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/nov/23/robinho-nine-years-prison-rape-milan-court-manchester-city), I believe it makes no sense “hiding” this information for only after the first two long, especially second, long paragraph(s) about his childhood and merits. It is relevant enough information to come before what Pele said about him when he was 15 years old, etc. Deourmju (talk) 07:52, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• No, you people should read WP:BLP. You, Deourmju, tried to push it here several times and have been reverted by several editors. You should stop your disruptive behaviour before you get blocked.--SirEdimon ^Dimmi!!! 20:39, 18 October 2020 (UTC)