Talk:Roger Joseph Manning Jr.

Roger Roger (Need to resolve the different Roger Mannings)

There are two different people.

• Roger Manning, one of the originators of Anti-folk [1]
• Roger Joseph Manning Jr. - keyboardist[2]

Links from other pages are related to both, but the content here seems to be related (mostly) to the later. Both are notable. I suggest Roger Manning be made a stub for the Anti-folk hero, and most of this content be moved to Roger Joseph Manning Jr. which currently redirects here. The keyboardist seems to market himself that way anyhow. Once this is done I'll also start a disambiguation page to include the fictional character and talk radio host of the same name. Hell maybe I'll even through in bass player Michael Manring for good measure.

One thing I'm still confused about. What does this article mean by saying he was "an integral member of Beck?" Beck Hansen was influenced by the Anti-folk Roger Manning in his early days. I'm not sure which one is being referenced in the Guero credits for playing the clavinet. Comments? -MrFizyx 20:38, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

• Roger Joseph Manning Jr. joined Beck's touring band in the mid-2000's. He played on every album from "Mutations" to "Guero"; he arranged much of "Midnite Vultures" and appears in videos for that album. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Schroeder74 (talk • contribs) . 30 July, 2006

Would it make more sense to say that he is a "member of Beck's band" than to say, "a member of Beck"? I mean Beck is a person right, not the leader of a band named after his first name? -MrFizyx 22:23, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

• Ah-ha Roger Joseph Manning Jr. lists Beck's albums among his credits. Interesting that Beck has some familiarity with both. -MrFizyx 21:14, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
• OK, I've created the two different pages for the two distinct artists (reversing a previous move)and sorted out all the links so that they direct you to the correct page. Except maybe one. There is a Roger Manning credited with background vocals on an Amanda Marshall album called Tuesday's Child. Neither of the guy's above are known for vocals, and she seems too mainstream for either of them. I'm pointing this to the disambiguation page for now. -MrFizyx 01:45, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:08, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Roger Joseph Manning, Jr. → Roger Joseph Manning Jr. — Mr. Manning is known professionally without the comma. If you are concerned about whether ", Jr." is the "proper" way and therefore should be observed at all times in article titles, this about The Chicago Manual of Style: "Q: John Smith Jr. or John Smith, Jr.? John Smith III or John Smith, III? A: Traditionally, it would be John Smith, Jr., and John Smith III. But beginning with the fourteenth edition of The Chicago Manual of Style (1993), the recommendation is to use no commas in either case (see paragraph 6.49 of the fifteenth edition)" Wikkitywack (talk) 08:34, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose. Conflicts with the WP naming conventions. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:57, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose. For better or worse we have our own naming conventions. See below. Andrewa (talk) 19:51, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Discussion

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• Propose a change at the policy or guideline talk page, preferably citing specific examples.

• Raise a discussion on a particular case where the guideline appears to be wrong, and invoke WP:IAR to gain consensus in this case. After one or (preferably) more successful discussions of this sort, then propose the change at the policy or guideline talk page, citing these and perhaps other examples.

The second is probably the better way (noting that we need to be wary of WP:POINT). But this proposal doesn't fit that pattern. It simply ingnores the guidelines. If we're going to do that, there's no point in having them. Andrewa (talk) 20:03, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.