Talk:SUSE Linux Enterprise

Update

Info about NASA Columbia system

The site refereced just says that there is SLES running on the Columbia system, not which version. Is it still true that they run SLES9 ?

NEW ARTICLE

I have created the article entitled SUSE Linux Distibutions in order to provide an up to date resource for SUSE linux. I am a firm advocator for SUSE and hope that the general wikipedian public agrees on this article becoming the proper article for SUSE Linux. As of now I am on SUSE IRC channels trying to get professionals to clean up this article. To vote on whether this should be main page leave a yes or no comment under this comment --H a m m o 09:47, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

IS IT FREE

What does it cost and where do you get it and what are the requirements and recommendations? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.241.173.201 (talk) 00:13, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

• The free version is SUSE Linux or openSUSE Telecine Guy (talk) 00:42, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

License

One essential thing about any software is the license. The article says it is "GNU General Public License and Various", which is clearly insufficient - it is less than nothing. For instance, if it was GPL alone, anyone would be entitled to distribute copies, either for free or for a fee. Can anyone do that, or does that "Various" word cover for proprietary software? Can this software be considered Open Source? Those are essential questions about licensing, but they are left unanswered. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.60.152.43 (talk) 17:39, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

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Requested move 28 September 2017

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved  — Amakuru (talk) 11:48, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

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SUSE Linux Enterprise Server → SUSE Linux Enterprise – SUSE Linux Enterprise "Server" and SUSE Linux Enterprise "Desktop" are actually one thing! they should first merged and then moved to "SUSE Linux Enterprise" Editor-1 (talk) 09:24, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

• Support: This will be consistent with other Linux articles that treat multiple variants in the same article (e.g. Ubuntu (operating system); though SUSE Linux Enterprise is a conceptual level above SUSE Linux, due to project forking, the same principle applies).  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  21:03, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

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Article title / merge etc.

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@Editor-1: I find it a little strange that you have moved this article with the comment that "all arguments in that RM are wrong", when as you point out it was yourself who was making the points. Presumably you've changed your mind? It looks like the purpose of the original RM was to merge this article with SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop, something which never took place. @SMcCandlish: as the other participant in the RM, do you object to the title being moved back to "SUSE Linux Enterprise Server"? If so then it should go through a formal RM, but if you don't mind the switch back then I have no objection to letting this one ride.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:05, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes I have changed my mind, SUSE Linux Enterprise Server and SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop are two different distros and need separate articles, also "SUSE Linux Enterprise" is wrong and has grammatical error, this means Enterprise of SUSE Linux! while "SUSE Linux Enterprise Server" means Enterprise Server of SUSE Linux. Again, correct and official title is "SUSE Linux Enterprise Server": https://www.suse.com/products/server/ -- *this is the common name* it really need a new RM if someone is disagree.--Editor-1 (talk) 15:26, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

I don't agree with Editor-1's "grammatical" argument ("SUSE Linux enterprise" with a lower-case e would convey what that user believes is being conveyed; the capital E obviously indicates that "Enterprise" is part of a proper-name string, and is not a description of "SUSE Linux"). But I don't object to the page going back to "SUSE Linux Enterprise Server" if we are certain that the two articles should not be merged after all. I think I would prefer that they be merged, but it's probably better to raise this with various wikiprojects and such, and see what the input of a larger group is. I'll repeat that we are typically keeping variants of each "flavor" of Linux as sections at large articles, not as a whole bunch of little split-off articles. We should be consistent in the approach. That said, it is possible we need more and shorter articles, across all distros, though I am skeptical that is the best direction to go, and the simpler approach is to merge in this case. I.e., it's one simple change to fix an outlier to conform to a large group, instead of changing a large group of articles to conform to a new approach used right now only for the SUSE Linux Enterprise variants.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  09:18, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

I found it!! at the past I proposed to merge SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop into this article which was renamed to "SUSE Linux Enterprise", something which never happened, but now I think the only and correct place to merge these two articles is simply SUSE Linux! currently it has a bunch of redundant information from these two articles and openSUSE, it need to fist be cleaned up and then merge these articles into.--Editor-1 (talk) 10:44, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

That sounds like a sensible proposal. Thanks Editor-1  — Amakuru (talk) 19:33, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

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Follow-on discussion

@FMM-1992: I wonder whether you wouldn't mind getting back to this and completing the merge, as you have more subject expertise that most on this topic! Klbrain (talk) 21:17, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

I just hadn't time, sorry. -- FMM-1992 (talk) 01:15, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

@Klbrain: I will do all of these merges in the next week, can you give me time please? -- FMM-1992 (talk) 06:35, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

@Amakuru, Klbrain, SMcCandlish, Smyth, and Telecineguy: Hello again (I am former "Editor-1"), I was wrong about I think the only and correct place to merge these two articles is simply SUSE Linux", I re-checked these articles and recognized some new things, per what XTools (dynamically show statistics about a page's history under the page heading) shows:

• SUSE Linux Enterprise Server -- "342 revisions since 2005-09-17, 197 editors, 55 watchers, 4,096 pageviews (30 days), created by: Smyth (11,725)" -- the user's latest activity was on 1 August 2021
• SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop -- "244 revisions since 2004-12-07, 149 editors, 990 pageviews (30 days), created by: Vespristiano (4,400)" -- the user's latest activity was on 26 August 2006
• SUSE Linux -- "708 revisions since 2006-10-25, 382 editors, 156 watchers, 6,676 pageviews (30 days), created by: H a m m o (71)" -- the user's latest activity was on 10 September 2007

Above information says that the first two listed articles are older than the last one, and although SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop is the oldest article (just 9 months) but it only has 990 pageviews in 30 days.

The creator of the SUSE Linux article (user:H a m m o) has announced the creation of it here in the section #NEW ARTICLE in October 2006 and asked the users whether it should be remain or not.

DistroWatch.com has only two pages for SUSE:

• DistroWatch.com: SUSE Linux Enterprise
• DistroWatch.com: openSUSE

suse.com shows "SUSE Linux Enterprise" in the "Products" menu, and shows its "Server", "Desktop", "Real Time", and "Micro" editions in the menu.

Conclusion: currently there is nothing named "SUSE Linux"!! it is a legacy term for what is currently called "SUSE Linux Enterprise", same as Red Hat Linux → Red Hat Enterprise Linux, this claim is also supported in these articles and the releases table in SUSE Linux#SUSE distributions

SO we should do following steps:

1. per my successful #Requested move 28 September 2017 this article should be renamed to "SUSE Linux Enterprise" and SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop should be merged into
2. SUSE Linux should be merged into this article (SUSE Linux Enterprise)

Regards -- FMM-1992 (talk) 09:19, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

@FMM-1992: thanks for the update. Per my comments above, I am fairly agnostic about whether the Desktop and Server articles should exist as separate articles or be combined. If you now favour the latter again that's OK, although we should make up our minds and stick with it, because we don't want to be flip flopping about each and every year. Regarding your second proposal above, to merge SUSE Linux into SUSE Linux Enterprise, I would strongly oppose that. SUSE Linux is the most noteworthy encyclopedic article on this subject, referring to the entire SUSE ecosystem going back to its inauguration in 1994. The SUSE Linux Enterprise is a more modern creation, and a specific distribution, which didn't come into play until 2004, ten years after the original SUSE. Much like the Red Hat Linux and Red Hat Enterprise Linux separation that you mention above, SUSE Linux and SUSE Linux Enterprise are also separate concepts. So I suggest you go ahead with the merge of Server and Desktop, and move back to Enterprise, but otherwise let's leave this as is, with SUSE Linux as a separate page. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 09:46, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

@Amakuru:

SUSE Linux is the most noteworthy encyclopedic article on this subject, referring to the entire SUSE ecosystem going back to its inauguration in 1994.

Yes, it has more content, but when we merged it into another article we will have its information in there, so there is no problem here.

The SUSE Linux Enterprise is a more modern creation, and a specific distribution, which didn't come into play until 2004, ten years after the original SUSE. Much like the Red Hat Linux and Red Hat Enterprise Linux separation that you mention above, SUSE Linux and SUSE Linux Enterprise are also separate concepts.

Please see the table and its version numbers at SUSE Linux § SUSE distributions, it clearly shows that what is called "SUSE Linux Enterprise" nowadays is just a re-brand of the old "SuSE Linux", this is also covered at DistroWatch.com: SUSE Linux Enterprise, see also SUSE Linux § SUSE family products, while Red Hat Linux and Red Hat Enterprise Linux are completely different, they are different in version numbers and technical aspects, also Red Hat clearly announced discontinuation of Red Hat Linux in favor of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) for enterprise environments, while there was not similar action for SUSE Linux Enterprise. Also its information looks false:

SUSE Linux is a computer operating system developed by SUSE. ....

Please show me "SUSE Linux". -- FMM-1992 (talk) 02:13, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

"SUSE Linux" is an overarching term, like a franchise name. Similarly, there is no such particular thing as "Microsoft Windows", but a bunch of particular editions (Microsoft Windows Home, Microsoft Windows Pro, etc.), yet we still have a main article at Microsoft Windows. I still favor merging all these SUSE Linux... articles to SUSE Linux, and giving each variant a section in it.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:35, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

@Amakuru, Klbrain, SMcCandlish, Smyth, and Telecineguy: If we want to merge the SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop and Server articles into SUSE Linux then how "SUSE Linux" should be defined in the lead section? currently it says:

SUSE Linux is a computer operating system developed by SUSE. It is built on top of the free and open source Linux kernel and is distributed with system and application software from other open source projects.

the main question is whether "SUSE Linux" is a particular and single Linux distro according to what user:Amakuru said:

The SUSE Linux Enterprise is a more modern creation, and a specific distribution, which didn't come into play until 2004, ten years after the original SUSE. Much like the Red Hat Linux and Red Hat Enterprise Linux separation that you mention above, SUSE Linux and SUSE Linux Enterprise are also separate concepts.

or one group of Linux distros or a franchise name per what user:SMcCandlish said? because the Microsoft Windows article says:

Microsoft Windows, commonly referred to as Windows, is a group of several proprietary graphical operating system families, all of which are developed and marketed by Microsoft. Each family caters to a certain sector of the computing industry. Active Microsoft Windows families include Windows NT and Windows IoT; these may encompass subfamilies, (e.g. Windows Server or Windows Embedded Compact) (Windows CE). Defunct Microsoft Windows families include Windows 9x, Windows Mobile and Windows Phone.

FMM-1992 (talk) 04:29, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

 Done the merge completed now.
I noticed some new things:

• in German Wikipedia there is no article for SUSE Linux, it is just a redirect to de:OpenSUSE, see Pages that link to "OpenSUSE" in German Wikipedia -- de:SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop is a redirect to de:SUSE Linux Enterprise Server which has one section for it.
• it seems "SUSE Linux" is the former name of what is currently called openSUSE, please see OpenSUSE#Product history and OpenSUSE#Releases in here, and de:OpenSUSE#openSUSE (ehem. SuSE Linux), de:OpenSUSE#Versionen, de:OpenSUSE#Ehemalige Distributionen in German Wikipedia.

FMM-1992 (talk) 04:10, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

• Sounds like a good reason for a disambiguation hatnote.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  04:43, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Clarifying current merger status

How is the current status of the merger? The discussion seems to died off half a year ago. I can see a inconsistency between the report of User @FMM-1992 that the merge is completed and the fact that the article is still not merged and still has the merge proposal category since August 2021. Should something be done? Or can the category be removed from it's page? GavriilaDmitriev (talk • they/them) 00:06, 25 February 2022 (UTC)