Talk:Paisius of Hilendar

Understanding Paisius

I have included the full text of Paisius' history. Unfortunately I could not find it in English. I apologise to any Bulgarian friend if there are mistakes. Since I do not speak Bulgarian, I also asked a Bulgarian academic to highlight any text that could be seen as referring to the culturally and religiously Greek environment from within which Paisius was identifying a specific Bulgarian trend. By 'Greek', I do not mean ethnicity. I hope Bulgarians or Slavicists may be able to expand the main article and explain in more detail the importance of this 'father of modern Bulgaria'. Politis 12:45, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Hello, where did you get История Славянобългарска from? It shouldn't be copyrighted so you could add it to wikisource here: http://bg.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%98%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%A1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%8F%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%8A%D0%BB%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0&action=edit And then add the link to the article. --89.132.103.232 19:13, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Content has been moved to wikisource. --Kslotte (talk) 19:27, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Plamen S. T︠S︡vetkov about Paisius

With this edit (diff) I inserted referenced assertion cited by work of Plamen S. T︠S︡vetkov. IP editor removed it with following comment in the edit line:

• Out of the context. This publication is neither scientific nor academic one. The main agenda of Paisij were his anti-greek sentiments.

Per wp:brd I am discussing this addition here:

1. Out of context: The assertion I added was related to Bulgarian ethnic origin and national self-consciousness. It was added to the text which discuss it. Therefore I don't think it is out of context.
2. This publication is neither scientific nor academic one. Author of the work is Dr Plamen Tsvetkov, professional historian. There are plenty of hits about his works at Google Scholar (link). This publication of Dr Tsvetkov was used by many contemporary historians including Maria Todorova (Todorova, Maria (18 March 2009). Imagining the Balkans. Oxford University Press. p. 267. ISBN 978-0-19-988909-9. Plamen Tsvetkov, A History of the ...), Richard C. Hall is a Professor of History at Georgia Southwestern State University (Hall, Richard C. (1 January 2012). The Modern Balkans: A History. Reaktion Books. p. 181. ISBN 978-1-78023-006-1.), Peter F Sugar, .... Therefore the source I used can not be dismissed as non-scientific and non-academic.

Unless valid arguments are presented within reasonable period of time, I think that referrenced assertion I added should be restored.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 19:06, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Plamen Tsvetkov is highly controversial author and has espoused a lot of fringe views. His book "A history of the Balkans: a regional overview from a Bulgarian perspective" is charged with nationalist bias. The publisher EM Text has published only several books for a period of 3 years and ceased to exist. I have never read or heart before such claims about Paisij. But let's check search-engines below and especially neutral, reliable sources:

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL;

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL;

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL 88.203.200.74 (talk) 06:10, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

There are any Serbophobia or Russophobia in Paisius' writings per search-engines above and especially per neutral, reliable sources. Regards. 88.203.200.74 (talk) 06:15, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. Your initial arguments (Out of the context + non-scientific and non-academic source) do not stand. Lack of additional reliable sources for this assertion is valid argument. Unless additonal RS can be presented this assertion should not be reinserted. Thanks for reply. If you are who I think you are, I will support your ban appeal if you submit it. All the best.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 11:07, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

I will place here the sources I find:

• Matica (1964). Zbornik Matice srpske za književnost i jezik. Matica srpska. p. 304. При томе је поучавао Бугаре више мржњи према суседима него љубави према целоме свету. [With it he more inspired Bulgarians to hate their neighbours, than to love mankind.]--Antidiskriminator (talk) 11:40, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Wrong translation of the introduction to "Slavono-Bulgarian history"

The introduction of "Slavono-Bulgarian history", quoted currently in the article, is wrong. It should be in singular person as it is addressed personally to Eugenios Voulgaris, not to all Bulgarians. In modern times, the appeal is indeed interpreted like being addressed to all Bulgarians, but this is just an interpretation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.0.101.43 (talk) 17:35, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

CEE

"Paisius of Hilendar" was used as part of the International Article Contest CEE Spring 2018