Talk:Saleh Al-Fawzan

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Copyright infringement, unreliable source and POV?

This article seems to have been copied and pasted blindly from the fanatical salafi site http://www.fatwa-online.com/scholarsbiographies/15thcentury/ibnfowzaan.htm. In addition to the site clearly being unreliable, this is a copyright violation and should therefore be removed.RookTaker (talk) 09:08, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Somebody copied and pasted content from the unreliable and non academic website http://salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=19&Topic=9412. I have removed this as it fails WP:RS and is a copyright violation. RookTaker (talk) 09:38, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

While I'm sure none of us would use http://www.fatwa-online.com as a source for what is true Islam, it seems a pretty safe source for information on education and family --BoogaLouie (talk) 16:07, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

User:BoogaLouie Thanks for adding to this article. Your edits, particularly the "Views" section, are much appreciated. I do take issue however with the references to fatwa-online.com. I don't see how this site can be considered a safe source on anything. The biographies on this site are nothing more than fan pages from an extremist organisation that considers all non-Salafis (both Sunni and Shia) to be heretics or disbelievers. I believe this fails WP:QUESTIONABLE where we read that, "Questionable sources are those with a poor reputation for checking the facts, or with no editorial oversight. Such sources include websites and publications expressing views that are widely acknowledged as extremist, that are promotional in nature, or which rely heavily on rumors and personal opinions." As such, I would suggest removing all references to fatwa-online.com. What are your thoughts?RookTaker (talk) 19:14, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Here are some thoughts.

• there sure seem to be a lot of sites using that same questionable information (see: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22After+his+graduation+from+the+Faculty+of+Sharee%27ah%2C+he+was+appointed+a+teacher+within+the+educational+institute+in+Riyaadh%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb#channel=sb&filter=0&q=%22After+his+graduation+from+the+Faculty+of+Sharee%27ah%2C+he+was+appointed+a+teacher+within+the+educational+institute+in+Riyaadh%22&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official)
• What was the original source? WAS it fatwa online, or did they take it from somebody else? Judging from this, it appears fatwa online is the original source
• Add more "According to fatwa-online.com," to the text. (in keeping with "While a source may be biased, it may be reliable in the specific context. When dealing with a potentially biased source, editors should consider whether the source meets the normal requirements for reliable sources, such as editorial control and a reputation for fact-checking. Editors should also consider whether the bias makes it appropriate to use in-text attribution to the source, as in "According to the opinion columnist Maureen Dowd..." or "According to the opera critic Tom Sutcliffe..."." from Biased or opinionated sources
• Do a Wikipedia:Requests for comment and see what other editors think. (I usually lose at those, so it should be a good bet for you! :) ) --BoogaLouie (talk) 20:36, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Good idea - I intend to make a Wikipedia:Requests for comment and we can get some guidance from there - thanks. RookTaker (talk) 21:35, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

I am for using Fatwaonline as a source when there isn't anything else available in English that can be utilized. While it's true that the site is not critical, I think it is clear that that is the case and can therefor be utilized for biographical information. What the website does is takes official bios from the official page of the individual and translates it. The owner of the site is simply a translator. In the case of Fawzan, there is more than enough of other information regarding his views that can add to the simple biographical information taken from sites such as this.Amerrycan Muslim (talk) 17:18, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

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