Talk:Sam Ryder

Requested move 7 June 2022

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The result of the move request was: Not Moved (non-admin closure) >>> Extorc.talk 11:15, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

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Sam Ryder (singer) → Sam Ryder – Clear primary topic with far more media coverage etc than a minor golfer. No need for the existing disambiguation page at Sam Ryder to be moved as the golfer can be simply linked to with a hatnote. Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 18:20, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Oppose Less than 3 months after the article was created and he's the "clear primary topic"? Classic case of recentism. We've got a minor singer and a minor golfer. Let's leave it for a year or two and then see. Maybe the golfer is headed for great things, maybe not. Nigej (talk) 19:07, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Too soon - but would probably support this move if the singer gets more popularity in the future. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 21:09, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Oppose. Sam Ryder (singer) has been famous for what, a bit over a month now? Neither article is the primary topic at this point. JIP | Talk 23:13, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Oppose I understand that these things are fluid but at the moment we can't circumvent WP:CRYSTAL with regards to what might be more significant or popular in the future. doktorb _words^deeds 14:43, 12 June 2022 (UTC

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Requested move 21 May 2023

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The result of the move request was: Moved.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:11, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

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Sam Ryder (singer) → Sam Ryder – I believe that Ryder is the clear primary topic when using the "Sam Ryder" name. This was requested last year but the page had only been created within the three months prior and Ryder was only famous for being on Eurovision. He is now much more famous and well-known, and his article is now well over a year old, so I believe he is now the primary topic and his article should be renamed. Strugglehouse (talk) 17:06, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support Clearly the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC as regards usage and probably as regards long-term significance. Nigej (talk) 19:39, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support - Indeed, clearly primary topic. This Sam Ryder should get priority.BabbaQ (talk) 11:28, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nom, also I can see the Sam Ryder (disambiguation) page already serves as it's task so no additional point needed. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 15:59, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
• Comment. It should be noted that less than an hour before this RM was posted, the main title header for the Sam Ryder disambiguation page had been unilaterally moved to Sam Ryder (disambiguation), thus making Sam Ryder a redirect to Sam Ryder (disambiguation). Furthermore, If there is a proposed primary Sam Ryder and one subsidiary Sam Ryder (golfer), then the Sam Ryder dab page becomes unnecessary per WP:ONEOTHER. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 07:14, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

  @Roman Spinner Yes, this is correct. I was actually going to be WP:BOLD, and move the Sam Ryder (singer) page myself. However, since Sam Ryder was a disambiguation page, and is now a redirect, I don't have permission to move this page. Strugglehouse (talk) 07:19, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

  I'm also in favour of the hatnote pointing to Sam Ryder (golfer) until another Sam Ryder gets a Wikipedia article.

  Yes, only administrators can move pages to target articles which already exists. I had problems in the past in trying to bold move pages to titles which already exists. Not sure if this qualifies for a technical request though since, by checking the page history, this article has never been moved before. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 10:34, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

An alternative option might be to move Samuel Ryder → Samuel Ryder (businessman) and then move the main title header of the Sam Ryder (disambiguation) page to Samuel Ryder since the full name of Sam Ryder (golfer) is also Samuel Ryder. Such a dab page would not have the singer as the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC since he is not known as "Samuel Ryder" and users searching for his entry would access it directly by simply typing "Sam Ryder". —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 23:12, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

I'd be very much against moving the Samuel Ryder article. The man who donated the Ryder Cup is likely to have much more long term significance than either of the Sam Ryders. Nigej (talk) 04:12, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

If there is no consensus for Samuel Ryder → Samuel Ryder (businessman), paired with Samuel Ryder as the header of a potential dab page, then there is no need for a dab page, per WP:ONEOTHER. The two standalone WP:PRIMARYTOPICS — Samuel Ryder and Sam Ryder — can simply point to each other and to Sam Ryder (golfer) via hatnotes. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 15:22, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. Nigej (talk) 17:53, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support as clearly the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. –Davey2010^Talk 16:45, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

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