Talk:Satin

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Um, what? —Keenan Pepper 23:01, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Material from which made states silk or nylon. That is dated. Should say silk or polyester.

Why don't you be bold and change it? —Keenan Pepper 06:23, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

And what's wrong with nylon? I wish I could find some usable nylon fabric! Anyway, I'll be bold; the only "satin" I can find these days is polyester (maybe silk, but I'm not looking for silk, whereas I do looking for nylon). I just bought some and was wondering if "satin" refers to a material or something else (now I know). If someone can verify that polyester is now the most commonly used material, I would note it in the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.14.154.80 (talk • contribs) . --Kjoonlee 17:07, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

This explanation is a little confusing. Can somebody put a diagram of the "floats" concept and explain why it would increase the luster?

Isn't it lustre? And also, the last sentence of this article doesn't make any sense. Monday, 12 February 2007.

Is it expensive?

how stain resistant is satin.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.159.119.102 (talk) 16:12, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Satan?

"Not to be confused with Satan?" Is this really an issue, people mixing up a fabric weave with the Prince of Darkness? TCSaint (talk) 04:48, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, since the pronunciation is same, I believe. Just what I came here for (both the talk-page and article). 78.156.109.166 (talk) 09:39, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Who pronounces them the same? In British English, Satan is "say-tan", while satin is "sat-in", and the vowels in an/in are very distinct. -- Arwel Parry (talk) 11:10, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

It's a very common typo/misspelling - I see it all the time. I think people vaguely visualise the word and go for the spelling that seems more familiar to them. Mabalu (talk) 11:29, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

That was added by a no-longer-active user almost two years ago.[1] The two words are not pronounced the same way, and also "Satan" is capitalized and "satin" is not. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:37, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

He posted that 1 year ago: On 11 November 2012.

Michael Jackson. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.156.109.166 (talk) 15:38, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

2011 was two years ago. You overslept. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:18, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

HAIL SATIN !!! BANG UR HED !!!

Diagram please!

There are three types of basic weaves (see, e.g., articles on Plain weave or Weaving): Plain weave, Twill weave and Satin weave. The articles on the first two have useful diagrams showing the structure of the weft and warp threads. This article does not. It should, for consistency, completeness and usefulness.

Excellent point. I'll see if I can find something. Mabalu (talk) 14:09, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Antique satin

Should antique satin be added to the list of types of satin? Leschnei (talk) 02:19, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

• Yes. Will add it now. Mabalu (talk) 19:32, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Warp is vertical. Weft is across.

Idk how to edit the caption of the first picture but it has weft and warp swtiched around. Alayambo (talk) 21:09, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Origin

The etymology of "satin" as derived from "Zayton" is not supported by the Quanzhou page or the wiktionary entry for satin. 135.0.176.61 (talk) 07:51, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Explanation required: difference between satin weave and 3/1 twill

I don't see any difference between a "satin" weave and a 3/1 twill (or perhaps 1/3, I get the directions mixed up), or perhaps 4/1 or 5/1 depending on the satin weave.

If there really is no difference this article should mention that this is a form of twill, and the article on Twill shouldn't state that satin is a third style of weave.

Perhaps the difference is whether the weft threads are packed tight...? 198.91.146.145 (talk) 12:33, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

@198.91.146.145: - I don't think they're the same. I have no experience of weaving, but a lot of experience of handling fabrics; I've never encountered a twill weave that really handled like a satin, at all. This source lists a 3/1 twill as "the most common [weave for denim] simply because it is the sturdiest weave". Now, even a difference in fibre choice really doesn't alter how sturdy a fabric can potentially be; if you think of a weave like a class, there's a glass ceiling for each - so the uppermost strength limits of a satin weave are still going to be below that of the lowermost reaches of a twill weave.

Britannica seems to think there's a difference, too - in this post, we see that even a 3/1 twill weave, with relatively separated warp and weft, has a regularity in step that satin weaves don't. Even if a warp is separated by a weft floating over three warps, it still forms a regular diagonal - albeit three steps apart. (Thus, "Although satin-weave drafts superficially resemble those of twills, satin weave does not have the regular step in each successive weft that is characteristic of twills".)

A satin weave, however, has an irregular step up that's all over the place - there's still some attempt at diagonality, but there's no hard diagonal line, thus ensuring that, with the correct reflective yarns, the light scatters irregularly all over the surface, highlighting the sheen of the fibres and the yarn rather than any strongly-woven diagonal twill line.

I didn't know half this shit myself until I looked it up - I always thought a twill and a satin weave were only a few steps apart, but this explains a lot. I suppose we could include something explaining that satin weaves, though similar to twill, are woven specifically differently in order to create different effects. The more you know, huh? --Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) 20:50, 24 May 2021 (UTC)