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Feud with Cubby Broccoli
One of the darker kept secrets about Connery is his wanting more money after the Bond franchise became a phenomena. This is presumed as being the main reason he did not show up to a Bond reunion in 1996. Cite http://www.klast.net/bond/sc_feud.html Perhaps worth mentioning?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by LAgurl (talk • contribs) 00:37, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Football
I think stating it as fact in the trivia section that Connery is a "Well known Rangers Supporter" is totally void. Old Sean spent many years going to see Celtic, and back in the day you'd see him there with Billy Connolly all the time. He is a friend of David Murray, yes, and he appears at Rangers games - but he also comes out in Scottish tabloids every week claiming to support different football teams. The other month he claimed he was a Dunfermline supporter.
I argue that it's better to leave out which team he supposedly supports from the article - as it is not a black and white issue. I'd say he's generally just more a fan of Scottish football as a whole.
James?
I have no idea who James Connor is, but Sean Connery's son is named Jason Connery, not James Connor, and he was born January 11, 1963, not November 11, 1963. -- Zoe
Religion?
Does anyone have a source for the relgion of sean connery, the article claims he was not raised catholic, you according to adherents.com, and nndb.com he is catholic (http://www.nndb.com/people/881/000022815/) (http://www.adherents.com/people/pc/Sean_Connery.html)
I would have thought he's Catholic. Just put it in the article; it's probably right and even if it's not, it would be close enough. (Huey45 (talk) 13:15, 15 April 2010 (UTC))
- Nyet! NNDB does not seem like a very good source...they may have just put Roman Catholic because that's his background, it does not definitely mean he's a practicing Roman Catholic. I also don't like Huey's reasoning here..."Yeah, put that he's Catholic because...eh, seems right" is not an appropriate argument for an encyclopedia. Cheers&etc. Yesitsraining (talk) 03:03, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
Other Bonds
I'm not sure we should even allow the name of Roger Moore to appear on the Sean Connery page. :) I think I'd just as soon credit Woody Allen with a "credible" James Bond performance (in Casino Royale) as I would Roger Moore. At least with Allen, we're expecting a clown. But I guess I'm just a Bond purist.
Atlant 21:01, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- To each his own. I don't care for Moore either, but admittingly I know many Bond fans loved Moore and even some preferred his Bond over Connery. K1Bond007 04:35, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC)
> and what many believe to be a more authentic literary performance by Timothy Dalton.
Thanks for adding this; I agree completely. I also understand why folks don't like Dalton's Bond after years of Moore's Bond: Dalton is much more the simple, cold-blooded secret agent who simply goes about his business. He's licensed to kill, and does it when needed, without remorse. He's probably my second-favorite Bond, although George Lazenby deserves a fair shake too.
Atlant 14:48, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure that sentence should really be in here whether we agree or not; after all this is an article about Connery not Dalton.
Connery post-Bond
Frankly, I think anyone has to accept Zardoz as a real turning point in Connery's career. :-)
Seriously, Connery-the-actor has shown a wonderful "dynamic range" post-Bond, from the hard-boiled army officer in The Presidio through the rather odd-but-interesting John Mason in The Rock to a very-odd scientist in Medicine Man right through to a thoroughly comic Henry Jones Sr. in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. And along the way, we've seen flash-backs to the Bond persona in movies like Rising Sun.
He's a thoroughly enjoyable actor.
Atlant 18:15, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
- Pity he has no range and always uses his own accent, regardless of the nationality of the character. 195.93.21.1
do not worry you are not a bond PURIST you just like sean as the james same here i hated all the other heroes they could not even actt properly most of them were shot and ugly
Residence
Does Connery actually live in the Bahamas? I thought he was still living in Marbella... JW
He left following disagreements with the local press, and now lives in the Bahamas.
- See this report at IMDB. Claims he spends a lot of time in the Bahamas. Also has a place in New York. K1Bond007 04:28, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
My understanding is that he still has a residence in the Bahamas, and he does live in New York City, just down the block from me on 71st Street. One of his sons and daughter in law actually own the place, but he and his wife Micheline live there. Out of respect for their privacy, I will not reveal the address, but I have seen documents verifying my information. One is a newspaper article about a court battle with his neighbor, and the other is a title document from the city's records. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Slvrwlf (talk • contribs) 15:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Trivia Section
I was quoting from a 2001 South Bank Show profile of Connery. The story may be apocryphal but it illustrates Connery's character that has had an effect on his career ie money over a certain level is not an objective and a lack of nostalgia. Also until the mid 1980 the dollar/sterling rate was pegged at 3:1
This titbit is interesting - but sure 2 million pounds has never been worth 6 million dollars? (sorry to be a pedant... i'd change it if i could find the source..........) Petesmiles
- The Diamonds Are Forever article says "£2m ($4m or over $20m in 2005)". I think this trivia item is bogus anyway. Most places, including Wikipedia's DAF article and IMDB claim Connery used most of the money to stablish a childrens charity in Scotland. I don't know where this "he wanted his family to see what 2 million pounds looked like". Seems silly to me. K1Bond007 04:26, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
Knighthood and SNP
I'm not really sure that the gushing quote from Connery's website is really appropriate, especially as it's not true. His "commitment to Scotland" is endlessly questioned, and he's often seen as a hypocrite. I don't think there's much evidence that his knighthood was "delayed for many years", as far as I know it was first mooted by the Tory government in 1997, then Labour put it on hold because of his support for the SNP, but he got it anyway in 1999 or thereabouts, after moaning about it.
This is also probably untrue "These charitable works would have earned him a Knighthood much earlier but it was revealed in 1997 that the award had been declined due to concern over statements that Connery made in interviews that in certain circumstances that physical abuse of a partner was acceptable."
They don't generally veto knighthoods for these reasons, it was because of his support for the SNP which irked the Labour government. JW 10:08, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
- Why he should even be knighted is beyond me. He's an actor and he hasn't done anything impressive in his entire life. 195.93.21.1
Hasn't done anything impressive?! Are you mad!? The way he talks ALONE is enough to be the most impressive thing ever. You're clearly just jealous or something. - HNC Creative Writing
Jealous of a bald, wig-wearing, skirt-wearing, wife-beating 75-year-old tax exile? I think not.
Re: Hypocrisy of accepting Knighthood from British monarch. As there is no references or links to any article accusing him of hypocrisy. Also, although a Scottish nationalist and supporter of the SNP, is there any references to him "openly opposing" the honours system or the monarchy. Being a Scottish nationalist does not necessary make him a republican. Therefore this should be deleted? Benson85 (talk) 23:51, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Actually, it was the Labour government which awarded him a knighthood - the Queen does not give honours. (92.10.216.40 (talk) 15:47, 23 September 2009 (UTC)) Fail: Government does not bestow honours the Monarch does, this is why Connery's knighthood was so hypocritical.Twobells (talk) 13:54, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Nope. The monarch has NO say at all in who is given honours, it is the government that decides who receives them. Connery's knighthood was controversial because it came from the Labour government he claims to despise. (92.10.25.106 (talk) 15:19, 8 February 2010 (UTC))
- This is not strictly true, although in practivce it's not far off. People are proposed to the Queen, who will give her informal approval, before the recipient is asked if they will accept. If they do, the Queen then has to formally approve the nomination. She can refuse to consent, although I doubt this has happened in recent history. ῤerspeκὖlὖm in ænigmate ( talk ) 17:36, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
The Queen cannot refuse any request, as a constitutional monarch she could only suggest to the government that the award may be undeserved. (92.10.25.106 (talk) 18:20, 8 February 2010 (UTC))
"Connery washh born" vandalism
You gotta admit, as vandalism goes, that one at least was funny. :-)
Atlant 17:04, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
Alex Trebek: "Which Ringo was the Starr drummer of The Beatles?" Sean Connery: "Craven Morehead" Alex Trebek: "Who is Craven Morehead?" Sean Connery: "Apparently you are!"
For some of us it was the impersinations of Sean on Saturday Night Live that were the best Sean Connery memories.
"me-the guy who slept with your mother last night!" "i'll take whore seamen for 800"
Abuse of Women quote
I've heard this mentioned many times, but I've never found a source of what he actually said. Anyone have a pointer to where I could see that excerpt of the interview? -Fuzzy 16:51, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
- Playboy 1965 "I don't think there is anything particularly wrong in hitting a woman, though I don't recommend you do it the same way that you hit a man." (Connery) It's buried in this [1] report. His ex-wife is writing an autobiography where shes claiming that he bullied her. K1Bond007 17:06, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
Connery also caused an uproar when he said similar things on the Barbara Walters show in December 1987. There have always been allegations, which he denies, that he physically abused his first wife during their marriage (they divorced in 1973).
This quote is mis-leading, if taken in context Sean Connery was discussing the fact that women should not be exempt from violence on account of the fact that they were women, and takes into account that men that are in situations that call for violence should take into account the fact that women are generally physically weaker.
Weather he is right or not, I think that it is mis-representing his views as written.
He later claimed his words had been taken out of context, but certaionly it is something that is always mentioned regarding Connery.
Mr Universe
Did Connery actually represent Scotland in this contest as the article states, or was it Britain? Somebody changed it to Britain but it was then reverted. It seems unlikely competitors would be sub-divided into England/Scotland/Wales in 1950. JW 13:01, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
It also needs to be clarified just which 'Mr. Universe' contest he took part in. --172.200.236.142 13:53, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
I thought it was in 1953.
Crappy template
These templates were applied to all the Bond actor pages. If it looked reasonable it might be different, but having two on Connery's page looks ugly. I don't know who its supposed to help, but its more likely to confuse the casual reader, especially as the Bonds didn't follow in a simple succession. The order is Connery, Lazenby, Connery, Moore. Or, if you include Never Say Never Again, Connery, Lazenby, Connery, Moore, Connery, Moore! I Would like to know if anyone actually thinks these add anything to the articles. JW 08:37, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
- I think it looks fine. I used a similar template to make it more compact though. If you think NSNA makes it confusing then add "Official" to the template. I don't think it's that big of a deal. K1Bond007 17:59, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
- It doesn't really tell the reader anything that's not explained better in the article. Never Say Never Again is still a Bond film, and just as notable in an article on Connery than the EON Bonds. I'm still inclined to remove it; if there's an outcry we can always re-instate it. I know you won't complain if its not that big a deal. JW 19:47, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
- The same could be said for essentially all the Presidents of the U.S. too, which have similar templates. All of that is explained in the article. I don't see what the big deal is for you to remove it. It's not ugly, unreasonable, nor totally unhelpful. It's a navigational tool, not an infobox. K1Bond007 20:44, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
- It doesn't really tell the reader anything that's not explained better in the article. Never Say Never Again is still a Bond film, and just as notable in an article on Connery than the EON Bonds. I'm still inclined to remove it; if there's an outcry we can always re-instate it. I know you won't complain if its not that big a deal. JW 19:47, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
Nationality
Connery may have been born in Scotland and may support the cause of Scottish nationalism, but the fact remains that he is a British national (check the 'Act of Union' article if you're not sure) - anything else is both unencyclopaedic and POV. --172.212.223.164 15:26, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Mixed religion should be changed, because Catholic and Protestant are not religions they are deniminations of the religion chrisianity...Both his parents thus are Christians, but are of different denominations.
- Seems like that's largely a matter of semantics, and not terribly important unless one has some sort of agenda-reason for pressing the distinction. I do consider the Catholic religion and the various Protestant religions as different religions, not just different denominations of the same religion. They do have different beliefs, not just different ways of doing things. 140.147.160.78 16:46, 3 January 2007 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza
Denimimations? Has Sir Connery traded in his kilt for Levi's?
Had to laugh when I read that! Superdude99
The nationality part is correct, Connery is a British national and the article shall remain this way otherwise I will inform whoever is incharge of misconduct, also they are denominations of christianity, they aren't their own religions. End of. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.109.15.60 (talk • contribs).
- The Catholic religion and the various Protestant religions have rather important differences in their beliefs. So I think it's pretty clear, they're different religions, not just different "denominations of the same religion." 140.147.160.78 21:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza
Ironic?
- Starred in Never Say Never Again with Klaus Maria Brandauer. Ironically, Brandauer was originally considered to play Marko Ramius in The Hunt for Red October.
How is that ironic?? Steve-O 11:24, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
This sentence should be taken out and shot
"However, in a December 2004 interview with The Scotsman newspaper from his home in the Bahamas, the then 74-year-old actor denied he was retiring and said he would like to make another movie, but that he is taking a break from acting in order to concentrate on writing his autobiography, but now the book will no longer be written."
Anyone want to take a stab at fixing the sentence? --Improv 03:44, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Charity
In a discussion a few years ago regarding Mr Connery's many virtues, I was told that there is a research institute somewhere in Glasgow which received a large donation. The benefactor preferred to remain anonymous but there may be a clue in the fact that the rooms are numbered 4, 5, 6, 007, 8, 9... Now I'd love to believe this story but it sounds a bit urban-mythish to me. Can anyone confirm or deny? --Spondoolicks 17:33, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Gypsy Ancestry
I have heard he has Gypsy ancestry, is that true?
- I wonder if you're thinking of Yul Brynner. 140.147.160.78 16:41, 3 January 2007 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza
What the hell is gypsy ancestry?
- What do you mean by that? There's certainly an ethnic group that calls itself Rom and has its own language, Romany, even if they don't have a homeland of their own. They're the people commonly called, in English, Gypsies. 140.147.160.78 21:16, 18 June 2007 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza
Yes, it is probably true that his Wexford grandfather was a tinker-traveller. This does not mean that he was from he Roma ethnicity, he was Irish Superdude99
My understanding is that when young he was described as having
hair that was "Gypsy" black, that's all. People seem to have
issues with Celts who don't fit their stereotypical expectations
(the Spanish Armada myth is another example of this). I believe
this is mentioned in Sean Connery by Michael Feeney Callan (1983).
156.63.68.193 11:59, 12 October 2007 (UTC)Iwerdhon
Missed Movies
Connery also had a role in the 1998 "Playing By Heart" but I can't for the life of me figure out how to make the neccessary edit. Someone want to fix that? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Krawnight (talk • contribs) .
- Done. Thanks for the "heads up"!
Minor issue, but why are the 1998 movies split into two rows? Should prolly just be in one. -Krawnight 04:49, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry, but this is still bothering me. Any reason we have two listings of 1998? -Krawnight 07:29, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
One word: Meteor (1979) (205.250.167.76 01:19, 12 May 2007 (UTC))
Domestic Violence
I am having little luck expanding the paragraph in "Trivia" on Sean Connery pro-domestic violence quotes. I intend to expand the text to read:
- He caused an uproar in a December 1987 interview with Barbara Walters in which he said it was OK for a man to hit a woman, assuming that it was required to calm her down or "keep her in line". Connery had made similar remarks in a November 1965 interview with Playboy magazine on the set of Thunderball: “I don't think there is anything particularly wrong about hitting a woman.... If a woman is a bitch, or hysterical, or bloody-minded continually, then I'd do it.” In 1993, Vanity Fair quoted him saying there are confrontational women who “want a smack”.
I'll try again later from another machine. I am considering starting a category of "Advocates of Violence Against Women" for SC, Eldridge Cleaver, and Amiri Baraka, and whoever else I can find. Boris B 11:47, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, I am rethinking that category. It would probably more invective than is worth the trouble. On another note, what is meant by "saturnine" at the beginning of this article? I don't consider him good-looking either, but is he generally considered "sluggish" and/or "lead-poisoned"? Boris B 21:36, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
It means "dark" or "brooding". And it is POV. 216.114.249.246 05:55, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
If anything, Timothy Dalton was the saturnine Bond actor.
I seem to remember the Barbara Walters episode and went something like "Would you ever hit a woman?" Whereupon Connery responded "If she deserved it." It sounds rather tongue-in-cheek and rather like the Great Scot. Maybe you need to lighten up.156.63.68.195 16:03, 12 October 2007 (UTC)iwerdhon
There is literally a full clip of his comments to Barbara Walters about his views on hitting women. You don't need to "seem to remember" anything; you merely have to spend ten seconds on Youtube to find the clip, and another minute or so to watch it. That's not the question she asked, and his answer was by no means "tongue in cheek."
She didn't find it funny, and nor did the first wife he beat. (92.13.85.41 (talk) 14:16, 18 April 2008 (UTC))
- So what if she didn't find it funny?JGC1010 (talk) 02:10, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Erm, neither did the wives who consistently Connery beat them up, nor the 3,000,000 American women beaten up by partners every year. So I guess you could tell each of them to lighten up. Apart from the several thousand you can't, because they've end up dead as a result. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oriana Naso (talk • contribs) 22:09, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Man Utd offer
According to this article, and an interview I saw, Sean Connery was offered a chance to try out for Man Utd. I think this should be added to trivia. http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1773964,00110002.htm
ABart26 07:01, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- I added it. ABart26 16:49, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Images
Please stop reverting to the non-free images. Image:Seanconnery.jpg is a copyrighted image and should not be used. Image:SeanConnery.jpg and Image:Lxg13.jpg are copyrighted screenshots and should only be used, if at all, in the articles about the film they're from. —Chowbok 21:50, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Death?
Who's the joker that said he died? That's very funny [/sarcasm]
- Somebody's done it again, saying he died in Texas. I'm changing it back until there's proof.(Myscrnnm 19:41, 23 September 2007 (UTC))
HES DEAD! D: Stop living in the passst! with the bones of YORE, he died of a BOT overdose (beans on toast) and his death should not be taken lightly :\ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.10.224 (talk) 07:15, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Uncredited?
If you watch the end of Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves, he is listed at he end of the credits for his cameo as King Richard. The original screening in theaters left him out; but all subsequent releases that went to VHS and DVD, include him in the listing.
Sean Connery Death Rumor?
http://www.msbnews.net/news/3671?124900002#
"On the morning of Thursday the 28th of September, 76-year old Sir Thomas Sean Connery (Sean Connery) died of sudden heart failure. His personal doctors say he had no previous heart conditions and that he was an all-around healthy man. Doctors have examined Sean and have yet to conclude the cause of the failure.
"Jake has always been active, swimming and exercising as much as he could. I can't believe this happened," said his wife, Michelle Roquebrune Connery.
After interviewing several of his friends, best friend Harrison Ford apologetically admitted that he may have contributed to Seans unexpected death.
"Well, a couple days ago, me and Sean were out having a couple of beers and havin an all around good time, but then we got kinda crazy and drank more then we should. I don't really remember what all happend that night, but when we woke up, we both ached and felt pain. But Sean, he had it worse then me. I'm sorry I can't really talk about this right now," confessed Johnson.
Sean Connery died on the 27th following an evening with his son, witnesses say it was around 4 PM.
Fans of his work continue to mourn the loss of their hero. Many have flocked to his house, and have place lit candles by his doorstep.
He is survived by his son Jason Connery.
The funeral will be held on October first in Edinburgh, Scotland."
I'm sure this is not true can anybody verify it?
78.149.10.224 (talk) He's Dead!, He Died of BEANS ON TOAST!! —Preceding undated comment added 07:09, 10 March 2010 (UTC).
Thomas Deor?
The name listed at the start of the article was Thomas Deor. I did several searches, but could find no reference to Connery changing his name. Did he change his name when he was knighted? Or is this some vandalism? I have changed the name listed at the start of the article to "Sir Thomas Sean Connery". Also there was a reference to a picture listed in the upper right box as Deor that is no longer there. Also, there is a listed reference to his portrayal of Zamak, which is linked to a zinc alloy. This makes no sense. Is Zamak from a movie? I assume this was supposed to say James Bond, as the next sentence talks about that. I'm going to fix this 147.155.2.163 20:02, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Six vs. seven Bond films
Can someone tell me why the article states he starred in only six Bond movies ending with "Diamonds are Forever," and then goes on to list seven of them ending with "Never Say Never Again"? I understand the hubbub over "official" vs. "unofficial" Bond movies, but if you're going to only count the six official ones, then only list the six official ones--otherwise it's terribly confusing for readers. Personally, whether it was by EON or not, he still played James Bond in a seventh movie and I think it should be included in his final Bond count. --ScreaminEagle 22:10, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Nationality (2)
Sean Connery is called a Scottish actor but yet Daniel Craig is called a British actor. There needs to be some sort of consistency for nationality. Scottish, Enlgish, Welsh is not a nationality but British is. So either Daniel Craig's nationality needs to be changed or Sean Connery's plus numerous others that are in consistent.
I vote change it to British,a s seen under British nationality law. --Chickenfeed9 21:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- Firstly, Daniel Craig is now called an English actor. Most UK people are called English, Scottish, Irish or Welsh; and I think its best like this. Many people, Sean Connery being a perfect example, would never refer to themselves as British. Sean Connery is known around the World as Scottish as Tom Jones is known as Welsh, and putting British purely being legally he is would make Wikipedia look stupid --Berks105 14:53, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
I believe that there should be some consistency around nationality on wiki, as it stands there is no Scottish, English, Welsh or Northern Irish nationality BY LAW, only British, so until Scotland leaves the union it is factual that he is British and not Scottish. Wikipedia is about facts, not opinion.
- Maybe Berks105 is just pointing out that even people living in the United Kingdom cringe at the concept of being British.JGC1010 (talk) 02:13, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
- Is there anything that says that we have to follow the strict legal definition of nationality ? Scotland and Wales remain countries even though part of the UK, and so Scottish and Welsh nationalities are real concepts, even if not in law. If someone clearly regards themselves as Scottish rather than British, shouldn't we show that ? -- Beardo (talk) 16:28, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
- In what sense, exactly, do they "remain countries"? Can you show me the Scottish embassy in Paris, or the Welsh consulate in Berlin? What are the names of their UN representatives?
- Looks to me as though you are confusing two different usages of the word "country", as in "A Country" (=a nation-state) vs "a piece of countryside", like "Amish Country" in the USA. Scotland and Wales used to be countries in the first sense, but they haven't been for centuries. Nowadays they're pieces of countryside, which can at the most be used to describe ethnicity, but not nationality. HTH!--CRConrad (talk) 11:19, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
- England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are countries and this is the main term used to describe them by the British government, see Countries of the United Kingdom. Not all Countries are sovereign states (the UK is a country + sovereign state). Nationality is a difficult subject, Ofcourse Sean is a British citizen but we know that Sean is best known and described around the world as a Scottish actor and we know hes a separatist who hates Britain and British identity there for calling him British would lead to greater disputes.
- Wikipedia has a policy of not having a policy on this matter which leads to differences in how people are described, take a look at Wikipedia:Nationality of people from the United Kingdom BritishWatcher (talk) 11:32, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
- In the sense that the UK government describes them as countries. A useful background, and links to articles that go into greater detail, to this (perennial) issue can be found in the FAQs at Talk:England, Talk:Scotland, etc: "Numerous reliable sources support the view that Scotland is a country - see for example the article entitled Countries of the United Kingdom. This view is shared with other reputable encyclopedias. There has been a long-standing consensus to describe Scotland in this way."
- The guideline is to defer to how the subject self-identifies; Sean Connery does not, so far as I'm aware, identify as British.
- Cheers, This flag once was redpropagandadeeds 11:30, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
- Woops slight edit conflict there =) BritishWatcher (talk) 11:35, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Someone needs to get Mr.Connery's opinion on this. 50 bucks whatever currency you want on him saying "Schottish". Kalga (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 14:38, 23 January 2009 (UTC).
The guideline is actually to state citizenship. His passport is British. Yworo (talk) 17:27, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
- No, that's incorrect:
...there is no consensus on how this guideline should be applied to people from the United Kingdom....Various different methods of referring to a UK citizen's nationality have been adopted...No variation is particular to any one nationality...
- The same MoS article uses Sean Connery as an example:
When looking for available evidence (perhaps through biographies, encyclopedias and news articles), bear in mind that there is often no consensus across the UK, and many conflicting examples can exist for any one person. Often, however, a clear national preference can arise (e.g.: Sean Connery is widely referred to as a Scottish actor).
- Cheers, TFOWRThis flag once was red 17:39, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Ah, okay. I can see that there are specific reasons for using Scottish here. My mistake. Yworo (talk) 17:44, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
- No worries ;-) I've just seen a comment elsewhere that anyone who claims to know all of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines is deluded! There are way too many...! (...and this one will probably be deprecated tomorrow, too!) Cheers, TFOWRThis flag once was red 17:48, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
- Just to add to the debate as clearly people have differing opinions. Not that i am qualified or anything. Re: Kim Cattrall page. It depends on what "Wikipedia" suggests; However first and formost the actors are British, that is your 'nationality' in the UK. Be it English, Welsh, Scottish or Northern Irish. Of course you are STILL English, Scottish, etc and nobody should be taking issue with that. Personal identities may mean you might not want to be called British and so on. That is another matter.
Unless the UK is broken up at any point your nationality (ie on the passport) is British. Babydoll9799 (talk) 10:10, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
- That's not strictly true. It says the person is a 'British Citizen', not that they're 'British'. With regards to Northern Ireland, the problem can also arise since Northern Ireland is not part of Great Britain (which covers England, Wales and Scotland). Hence why the passports say 'United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland'. It has been mentioned above about the difference between sovereign states and countries, and this is something to take note of. It is entirely legitimate to class oneself as Scottish etc, regardless of what a passport says, which is only a travel document, not a statement of identity. ῤerspeκὖlὖm in ænigmate ( talk ) 17:46, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
He did not place in the 1953 Mr Universe
He did not place at all in the 1953 Mr Universe. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.70.187.237 (talk • contribs).
Was he in the women's contest?
Red Phoenix
He lent his voice to the Australian band Red Phoenix's 2005 song Wavelength, is this worthy of being included in the trivia section? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.237.188.24 (talk • contribs).
Trivia fix
Untouchables takes place in Chicago, not New York, so he would have been a chicago, not new york policeman. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.216.191.149 (talk) 21:11, 18 February 2007 (UTC).
May we please have a source for this?
"In 1993 news that Connery was undergoing radiation treatment for an undisclosed throat ailment sparked media reports that the actor was suffering from throat cancer following years of heavy smoking, and he was falsely declared dead by the Japanese and South African news agencies" --nocturnal omnivorous canine 01:34, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
There's an interview he gave with Entertainment Weekly in February 1995.
Connery not a KBE?
Sean Connery seems to be a KBE, please check the following links:
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Tekin 09:46, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not a source. And they're wrong, he's a Knight Bachelor. [6] Proteus (Talk) 11:09, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
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Red Dwarf
Re this section:
"In 1987-88, Connery was attached to star in the British television series Red Dwarf, which was ultimately a sitcom that blended elements of science fiction with comedy (similar to The Hitchhiker's Guide to The Galaxy). Connery was to appear as the captain of the spaceship Red Dwarf. However the role was written in as being slightly overweight and slightly inept, and so with the part being unfitting for Connery it was eventually passed to an American comedic actor, Mac McDonald. This was revealed in the Red Dwarf Series I DVD commentary."
- this sounds to me like a joke, not a real fact. It's not even mentioned in Red_Dwarf_characters#Captain_Frank_Hollister. Thoughts ? -- Beardo 03:52, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
I have the Region 1 DVD. I can check it out to see if it's mentioned. DeathWeed (talk) 05:27, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
- Even if it is mentioned in the commentary, it could still be a joke. Is the commentary purely factual or does it include jokes ? -- Beardo (talk) 22:08, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Marnie 1964
This artical need to say something about the 1964 Hitchcock movie Marine in witch Sean Connery play the leading roll. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marnie_%28film%29 --Posse72 20:33, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Just Cause
I understand Sir Sean was in this movie, but the sentence does not mention him at all. Should it be rewritten, or removed? joshschr 22:32, 23 August 2007 (UTC)Josh
Connery Satire
Why is connery satirized as a racist, in both the celebrity jeopardy skits and venture brothers connery like characters make racist jokes, what is that about?Zeos386sx 17:41, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
- They play him as a chauvinist, too. I guess the idea is that he's a blunt, oversexed and offensive old man. =) Panzer V Panther (talk) 18:54, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
- Partly there is his pride in Scotland, partly, I suspect, that the caricature of Bond is sexist. -- Beardo (talk) 16:34, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
I feel that a new section should be added to the Sean Connery page. The section should be dedicated to parodies and other pop-culture references. I am mostly interested in whether or not Sean Connery is aware of his parodies, and how they have been received. As everyone who's watched SNL is aware, the actual Alex Trebek made a cameo appearance in Will Farrell's last appearance as a regular, so Trebek must be amused by his parody. But what is Connery's opinion? If he has been quoted, I feel that it would be of particular relevance and value to both Wiki pages, "Sean Connery," and "Celebrity Jeopardy." Christopher, Salem, OR (talk) 10:46, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
Rugged Good Looks?
Yeah, that's what I think of whenever I think about Sean Connery. "Man, that guy's got some rugged good looks." =D Panzer V Panther (talk) 18:54, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Connery in popular culture, actually the whole thing
This section as written is not historical fact but mostly opinion. It should be changed to facts. I could care less about Sat. Nite Live and the morons Will Farrell and Darrell Hammond. They should be given zero space. They had zero to do with him except as leeches.
It should either be re-written or just given as fact, such as "He is portrayed in various comedic routines, most notably for his thick Scottich accent." Why it is neccessary to insult and demean him, and constantly point out innuendo throughout the whole commentary? The whole section is maybe a couple of sentences, tops. It repeats his roles.
His so-called beating of women accusations are really important historical facts, sure. It is enough to say that his former wife wrote an un-flattering book about their marriage. Even that should be taken with a grain of salt. By constantly referring to this accusation someone is trying to make people form a negative opinion of Connery, which has nothing to do with fact.
What the heck is this:
"At another point, he said he still cared about the future of the character and the franchise, having been its icon for too long not to care, and that all Bond films had their good points. In December 2005, Connery supported Daniel Craig as the latest James Bond in Casino Royale."
Nothing but jibberish. I think Wikipedia really needs an overhaul in terms of ethics, accuracy and ability to fairly portray people in the light of who they really were and meant rather than some attempt at High School journalism and this constant need to "opinionize" everything.
I was curious who wrote this junk and started looking at the contributors, it is no wonder.
Here's a quote about an early "author", a kid, yes a baby faced 20-something had on his "website".
Wikipedia is BRUTAL While you may be able to find some worthwile info on generic issues like "baseball". Wikipedia is mainly populated by a bunch of 20 year old leftwing, propeller head, academic elites attempting to rewrite history.
Now that maybe the most accurate thing this kid put into print. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tslate007 (talk • contribs) 14:04, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
- You preach agony from the common foe of man. Inhale gas and croak. --TenInchPianist (talk) 01:57, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
- Naw dog, I don't mean that, you go on and party!!!! --TenInchPianist (talk) 02:07, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
His life
Sheesh, under 'years' who put 1954-2006? It made it look like he was dead. I'm not sure what the standard protocol is, so I just changed it to 'present' - someone who knows his stuff better can feel free to jump in and change it to whatever's appropriate... just don't change it back to 2006. : P —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.165.54.154 (talk) 01:59, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
1954 was his first acting role, 2006 his last. He's retired. That's all it means. DeathWeed (talk) 04:53, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
WP:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers priority assessment
Per debate and discussion re: assessment of the approximate 100 top priority articles of the project, this article has been included as a top priority article. Wildhartlivie (talk) 10:37, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Article under attack from HarveyCarter IPs SP
Revert all sock puppet additions in this 92.8 to 92.12 IP range.
COPYVIOL?
Sir Sean campaigned hard for the yes vote during the Scottish Referendum that created the new Scottish Parliament. He believes firmly that the Scottish Parliament will grow in power and that Scotland will be independent within his lifetime.|30px|30px|SeanConnery.com on Sean Connery's support of the Scottish National Party. This has been taken LITERALLY from http://www.seanconnery.com/biography/knighthood/. Putting aside the [#number] for reference does not mean it is allowed to copy word-by-word from Sir Sean's official site. I suggest to summarize the gist and rewrite it from scratch. -andy 78.51.72.84 (talk) 20:48, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Diamonds Are Forever
I have imported more details from the Diamonds Are Forever (film) but taht highlights a difference in the quoted salary - this said $1 million and that said £1.2 million = $2 million. Neither had sources cited. -- Beardo (talk) 22:14, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Career
The article needs to mention more of his non-Bond starring roles from the 60s and early 70s. Is it right that his immediately post-Bond starring roles were not successful ? -- Beardo (talk) 22:14, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Yes that is true, it really wasn't until Highlander that he had a comeback. (92.10.216.40 (talk) 15:45, 23 September 2009 (UTC))
Orphaned references in Sean Connery
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- Sorry - my mistake when copying from the DAF article - now corrected. -- Beardo (talk) 16:50, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Adding Family Guy
Sean Connery was Recently played a Cameo Voice roll in Family guy, The Episode was Named "Baby not on Board". I wanted to add this to his Page but I did not know how so I am leaving it to soemone who can and I am Alerting you of the needed change.Thankyou very much!
--Rambo55 (talk) 21:22, 8 November 2008 (UTC)Rambo55
Wasn't his voice also used in Blue Harvest? Emperor001 (talk) 03:09, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- @Rambo55 You are correct, but I, too, am a newbie. A Google search will provide a source (or is this sufficient?).
- @Emperor001, I recalled that, too, but searches don't bring up anything that looks reliable - most just refer to it as "Sean Connery's voice," which could be a voice actor (ie here, and even that doesn't look reliable.) I couldn't even find Blue Harvest on IMDB, but don't know if that's a valid source per Wiki rules either. Oh well. But the cameo voice role is definitely valid. Cheers, etc. --Yesitsraining (talk) 02:51, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
Unofficial Actor
Do we need that in the succession box? Unofficial means that it is not on a timeline therefore there is no mantle that he took from a previous actor. Keep the Official one, but drop the unofficial. Niven doesn't even have a box. Emperor001 (talk) 21:13, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Accent
Just how would one go about describing the particular accent Connery has? Kalga (talk) 14:54, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- Fountainbridge accent (languorous slurred Edinburgh working class), a common or garden variety of Scottish Standard English (SSE). Lachrie (talk) 10:42, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
news reports of false death
The section about his health is entirely unreferenced, claiming that he was reported dead by Japanese and south African news companies. either we add references or remove. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.30.31 (talk) 23:34, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
No one? no references? i'll just remove it then. 75.72.30.31 (talk) 03:01, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
- No objections from me. Thanks for being so vigilant. Cheers, This flag once was redpropagandadeeds 10:31, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, good call. A piece of news like this would be instantly all over the major media like CNN and newspapers. It's just garbage. 68.146.81.123 (talk) 14:54, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
Actually, it's all mentioned in Connery's February 1995 interview with Entertainment Weekly. (92.10.216.40 (talk) 15:44, 23 September 2009 (UTC)) ... So Sean Connery wasdead in 1995? are you bloody serious? (this is the same guy, my ip changed) 75.72.25.219 (talk) 03:31, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
he DID die in 1995, the reports of his continued living are merely WILD accusations and internet rumour! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.10.224 (talk) 07:12, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
SNP link
Looking at the link which keeps coming and going
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Scottish_National_Party
It seems inappropriate to have Sean Connery on this list no matter how firm a supporter he is of the party. There may be a more appropriate list SPACKlick (talk) 14:30, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
- Well (and I've reverted addition of the category, too), the most recent references supplied by the IP suggest that Connery was a member of the SNP as of 1999. I have a funny feeling that that may have since changed, but I can't find any references to challenge the IP's.
- Cheers, This flag once was redpropagandadeeds 14:35, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
Not denying he was a member of the SNP denying that the list is a list of members, look at the list, no members on it. SPACKlick (talk) 15:57, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
- Ah! Got it. Quite right, it's a list of SNP topics like the Federation of Student Nationalists and the Glasgow Govan by-election, 1988. Aye, Connery shouldn't be in this category. Cheers, This flag once was redpropagandadeeds 16:04, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
- Im pretty sure Sean is still a separatist and strong supporter of the SNP, hes their number one fan. BritishWatcher (talk) 16:18, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
His membership is irrelevant, he is not an SNP topic, just an SNP supporter, category inappropriate SPACKlick (talk) 23:11, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
Walters interview
The reference to Connery's comments on the Walters interview makes me uncomfortable. We shouldn't use YouTube as a source (indeed I thought that was against Wikipedia rules). Also, I remember seeing the interview and Walters was in fact referencing an earlier statement Connery had made, possibly as early as the 1960s (someone check his essay in For Bond Lovers Only as I think that's where it originated). We need a better source regarding the Walters interview, and preferably the original source for Connery's original statement. 68.146.81.123 (talk) 14:57, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
Older than Harrison?
I remeber in an Interview in the Crusade DVD that Sean was younger than Harrison, even though Sean was playing Fords dad. I Very clearly remeber that. So with that said on DVD by George and Steven saying that themselves, how can COnnery be older than Ford? --65.30.143.155 (talk) 22:56, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- 1930 < 1942. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:37, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Connery is not completely retired
Connery has a voice role in new film: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1552111/ Neptunekh2 (talk) 07:30, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
- Wow. (92.14.250.86 (talk) 11:50, 4 March 2010 (UTC))
BEANS ON TOAST! (Shoulder Injury) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.31.52.173 (talk) 23:29, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
- True to form, it sounds like it's gonna be pretty bad. --TenInchPianist (talk) 23:40, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
There should be a photo of him in his younger days
Since Sean Connery is most famous for his role as James Bond, the main photo for the article should be from around that time. Showing a picture of him looking old and barely recognisable really diminishes the standard of this article. (Huey45 (talk) 05:30, 11 April 2010 (UTC))
He's fully recognisable, and he isn't dead yet, so using an old photograph would not be appropriate. Also, it would a nightmare to try and find a clearable image from 1962 or whenever. --TenInchPianist (talk) 20:46, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
- I think you just have a false impression because you've already seen him as James Bond as well as in recent movies. If someone had only seen one or the other, they probably wouldn't be so quick to realise it's the same person. (Huey45 (talk) 03:51, 13 April 2010 (UTC))
- I don't think they'd have any difficulty. The dark eyebrows, the mouth, the face generally; it's recognisably the same guy, just older. If they had trouble with facial recognition generally maybe, but we can't assume that. Then there's the famous Connery voice, which hasn't really changed with age. No, I really don't think there's going to be a problem with that picture. In fact, if they've never seen the older Connery, they'll quickly identify him when they read the caption 'Sean Connery, 1999'. An encyclopedia is basically an educational thing, right? People find out stuff they didn't know before, such as: the appearance of Sean Connery after his Bond days. --TenInchPianist (talk) 01:58, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Awards??
What accolades has he won as an actor? I know he got an oscar for The Untouchables but what else? Shouldn't there be a table on his achievements. This article seems more occupied with gossip (his regard for women beating, for instance) or his tattoos than an encyclopedic entry on a notable and famous actor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.35.226.149 (talk) 21:13, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
Nude painting
Not sure how this will be used, but I found a source:
- Celebrity Buzz. "Nude painting of Sean Connery discovered in Scotland." Houston Chronicle. 4 November 2010.
Slight Formatting Error
The break line between the "introduction" and "Early Life" sections cuts across the "spouse" line of the infobox. I don't know how to fix this, can someone else. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SPACKlick (talk • contribs) 13:37, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
- Looks OK for me (Firefox 3.6.3) - may be a browser problem. Keith D (talk) 18:25, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- It has been fixed in one of the revisions. It was a Firefox 3.6.3 problem intially but it has been fixed. If there is no objection, I will delete this section of the talk page in one week unless people feel it needs to stay.SPACKlick (talk) 00:29, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Dead Weight on the Discussion Page
There are lots of redundant and resolved sections on this discussion page, what is the policy on clearing them out? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SPACKlick (talk • contribs) 13:37, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
- Usual practice is to archive them. Keith D (talk) 18:23, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- Might be no harm to start archiving here anyway. This page is a bit on the long side. RashersTierney (talk) 00:42, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Religion
His father was Catholic and his mother was protestant, does anyone know which he was raised in? Or if he still practices a religon? --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 21:05, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
- These two biographies indicate no attachment to any particular denomination. Yule, 1992 and Sellers, 1999. RashersTierney (talk) 22:56, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
Accusations of abuse section
This could maybe do with a re-title, "Accusations of Misogyny" or the less perjorative "Public Views on Women" SPACKlick (talk) 12:11, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
Alleged abuse section moved
Material moved here as against BLP guidelines. Only first sentence relates to heading topic and its link is dead.
Accusation of abuse In her 2006 autobiography My Nine Lives, as well as in subsequent interviews on radio and in print, Diane Cilento claimed that Connery had beaten her on several occasions. Connery vehemently denied the accusations.[1] In a December 1987 interview with Barbara Walters, he stated that it would be acceptable for a man to hit a woman with an open hand, if she continues to provoke the man after he concedes an argument to her.[2] Connery had made similar remarks in a November 1965 interview with Playboy magazine on the set of Thunderball: "I don't think there is anything particularly wrong about hitting a woman ... If a woman is a bitch, or hysterical, or bloody-minded continually, then I'd do it." In 1993, Vanity Fair quoted him saying there are confrontational women who "want a smack".[3]
Noteworthy?
Is it noteworthy that his likeness was used for Big Boss in the 1990 video game Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.245.42.231 (talk) 07:51, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
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Personal life
The details about him dating an "attractive blonde" and making a pass at a jazz singer seem like trivia details and not notable. At the very least, if the blonde was described as attractive in the source then it should be made it a bit more apparent that that is why she is being described as attractive, if she wasn't described as attractive in the source then there's no reason for editors to be describing her as attractive. I would edit the page myself but the page is semi protected. OhINeedANameNow (talk) 13:21, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
- Agreed, and fixed. ῤerspeκὖlὖm in ænigmate(talk)(spy) 01:37, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
Edit request from an IP user, 29 October 2011
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Please replace {{Kennedy Center Honorees}}
with {{1999 Kennedy Center Honorees}}
, which is more specific and not so incredibly large in size.
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Maxine Daniels
Why is she described as a "black jazz singer?" This seems a bit odd to say the least. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.42.92.152 (talk) 23:11, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Because she's a black jazz singer. SPACKlick (talk) 09:47, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
If Black Jazz were a type of Jazz, it should be capitalized. If describing her race, it really needn't be mentioned at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.42.95.164 (talk) 05:11, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
Edit request on 2 December 2011
{{edit semi-protected}} Please remove the word 'hereditary' from the description of Sean Connery duodenal ulcer. Even though it occurred in several members of his family, duodenal ulcer is not a hereditary disease.
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- OK, done. Chzz ► 06:55, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
Edit request on 23 December 2011
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Student artist Richard De Marco, who painted several notable early pictures of Connery, described the young Connery as "very straight, slightly shy, too, too beautiful for words, a virtual Adonis."
62.2.239.126 (talk) 13:53, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Notability is questionable as well. Favonian (talk) 13:58, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
Suggestion addition: Filmography
I would suggest adding to the "notes" section of the filmography that Dr. No was his breakthrough film/role. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.255.208.125 (talk) 21:28, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
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UK
There have been several revisions back and forth over whether to have UK in the location of Sean's birth, and some mention of whether or not it should be page linked. My feeling is that it should be there, as with all place names in the United Kingdom. and that if it is there it should be linked to the article.
It's not disruptive to the layout or flow of the page, it removes ambiguity, however little it may be, with Scotland Ontario, Scotland Arkansas, Scotland Connecticut, Scotland Florida, Scotland Georgia, Scotland Indiana, Scotland Maryland, Scotland Missouri, Scotland Pennsylvania, Scotland South Dakota, Scotland Texas and Scotland Virginia as well as Scotland's in Berkshire, Lincolnshire and West Yorkshire.
Essentially non-intrusive, accurate and, however minimally, useful information has no reason to be removed from an article. SPACKlick (talk) 12:39, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
- On your claim of "it should be there, as with all place names in the United Kingdom", where's the evidence for that? If you're referring to the "sovereign state" in the infobox then that's a very different kettle of fish to biography articles. I did a random click of articles, John Wark, Nick Knowles, Roger Moore, Ian Fleming, Billy Connolly... found no evidence there that "UK" was used nor needed. The disambiguation argument is noted but incredibly weak (you haven't insisted on dismabiguating Ireland in the biography, it might have been Ireland, Indiana.... and better still, Scotland in the infobox is actually wikilinked to the real Scotland, none of your minor examples....). Still, I have plenty of better things to do than remove common linked terms that you insist on using, so I'll get on with that instead. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:52, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Sorry just to clarify, the "...as with all places..." referred to my feeling that it should be there, not that it always was there. Having been through a couple of dozen articles I have found this to be very inconsistent, with the forms;
- 1Locale, Scotland
- 2Locale, Scotland
- 3Locale, Region, Scotland
- 4Locale, Region, Scotland
- 5Locale, Region, Scotland
- 6Locale, Scotland, UK
- 7Locale, Scotland, UK
- 8Locale, Scotland, UK
- 9Locale, Scotland, UK
all being used on various pages. Since, in the infobox, it makes little to no difference to readability or formatting and adds information surely 9 is the most appropriate layout here? Also, I note that all but John Wark of your examples have 3 layers of detail in their place of Birth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SPACKlick (talk • contribs) 13:23, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
- Okay, I said I had better things to do, but clearly not. "9" is over linked. All others seem fine as long as their links don't reference Scotland directly. Thanks!! The Rambling Man (talk) 22:11, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
- What do you mean Overlinked? On a site designed to give information, in a part designed to summarise information, how is having the relevant locations all linked, over linking? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SPACKlick (talk • contribs) 11:36, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
As there have been no objections to the linking of the locations of his birth for over 3 months I will re-edit the article to include them. SPACKlick (talk) 13:59, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
- Try WP:OVERLINK for one, and Template:Infobox_person#Parameters for two. 2 lines of K303 14:09, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
- overlinking Doesn't apply here, it's an infobox, and the example on the infobox page links to the first two layers, so option 7(ish) above. It may even be more useful to link it as Fountainbridge, Edinburgh, Scotland
- Template:Infobox person#Examples doesn't link to the first two layers, it only links to Seattle (via the Seattle, Washington redirect) which is where the article is. Even if Washington was linked (which it isn't) it is a state, which would be the equivalent of a county in the UK, not a country like Scotland. 2 lines of K303 08:36, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
- State is far more like individual country than county. Note, the states have counties within them. The question is, by the standards of the infobox, what is useful information to link the viewr of this page to? And by the standards of the infobox, it would certainly seem worth linking to Edinburgh, and probably to Scotland. Although note the layour proposed above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SPACKlick (talk • contribs) 14:03, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
- Template:Infobox person#Examples doesn't link to the first two layers, it only links to Seattle (via the Seattle, Washington redirect) which is where the article is. Even if Washington was linked (which it isn't) it is a state, which would be the equivalent of a county in the UK, not a country like Scotland. 2 lines of K303 08:36, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
I have updated Mr Connery's article to include his nationality which was odd as it was the only biographical article not to have a nationality...weird, anyway added. Twobells (talk) 12:49, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
- The infobox template for people specifies that nationality should only be used where it cannot be reliably inferred from birth place. AS he was born in mainland UK, the natural inference is that he is British, or British, Scottish. No need for it in infobox.SPACKlick (talk) 14:10, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
He made a re-apperance.
Connery was at the NYSE back in May of this year ringining the bell and was seen strolling NYC shopping, so he obviously has started to make public apperances, for now at least. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.238.183.175 (talk) 23:40, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Hitting Women Barbara Walters Interview
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He said he think its alright to hit women on two separate occasions, a 1965 Playboy interview and a 1987 Barbara Walters Interview. Shouldn't there be something written about this? In the personal life section or a section on its own? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FgMLROTqJ0 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.78.29 (talk) 01:27, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
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Edit request on 8 December 2012
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Sean Connery starred in 6 James Bond movies.
60.42.11.25 (talk) 15:14, 8 December 2012 (UTC) You have made a mistake on this page. You state that Sean Connery starred in 7 James Bond movies. Yet he only starred in 6 of them.
Source+ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_bond
- Not done: There are seven, all told. You may have overlooked Never Say Never Again. Favonian (talk) 15:21, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
Hitting Women Barbara Walters Interview
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He said he think its alright to hit women on two separate occasions, a 1965 Playboy interview and a 1987 Barbara Walters Interview. Shouldn't there be something written about this? In the personal life section or a section on its own? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.109.191 (talk) 23:43, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
- In re-denying your request Kuyabribri wrote in his edit summary on 22:46, 3 January 2013, "I see no justification for reopening this." link. I must note that this same request already has its own discussion thread on this talk page, two sub-sections up. link -- Fanthrillers (talk) 00:19, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
- Just wanted to clarify that the reason I placed that edit summary was because an IP user only set the "answered" parameter to "no" without actually adding anything new to the discussion. —KuyaBriBriTalk 15:05, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
I just think its outrageous that its well documented that Sean Connery condones hitting women, and it is noted on this wikipedia page. Its digraceful that such a prominent public figure is not called out on this or at least this information being widely known. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.94.167 (talk) 10:52, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
- Perhaps the anonymous editor would do well to read Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. In particular "Biographies of living persons ("BLP"s) must be written conservatively and with regard for the subject's privacy. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid: it is not Wikipedia's job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives: the possibility of harm to living subjects must always be considered when exercising editorial judgment." Also see the sections on "NPOV" ("no point of view") and "Due weight". - Fanthrillers (talk) 20:38, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
Someone please add/include "A Fine Madness" (1966) to Sean Connery's movie credits.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Fine_Madness
71.141.116.211 (talk) 18:22, 19 February 2013 (UTC)don.schmitz@ymail.com
Yule reference
There appears to be a problem with the Yule reference used in the article. The Bibliography section gives the year as 2009 while the short references in the text give 1992. Is the date of one wrong or is the Bibliography entry a later publication and the short references need the pages checking to see if the information is still on the same page numbers. Keith D (talk) 09:56, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
Its 1992.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 10:13, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
- Thank for correction. Keith D (talk) 22:33, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
Legal trouble
Maybe some reference to this legal troubles in Spain should be included. The judge even wants to issue an arrest warrant for him unless he attends a Spanish court to testify. 2.138.242.204 (talk) 23:14, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
This is the problem when the Wiki Nazis shut out the IPs on the so-called online encyclopedia anyone can edit!
There is no mention of Connery's appearance in the 1962 film The Longest Day. This was his last cinematic outing before being indelibly linked to the Bond Franchise. He basically makes a cameo in the The Longest Day playing his character Pedlar Pascoe from his 1961 film On the Fiddle 86.176.23.174 (talk) 00:03, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
Woman Of Straw.
1964, excellent movie, not mentioned. Proper filmography needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.147.122.14 (talk) 03:29, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
Four year departure from Bond . . . Copyedit (minor)
and return. This is a major part of the article that has been omitted. Connery had an acrimonious parting of the ways with producers Saltzman and Broccoli after "You Only Live Twice." The relationship had deteriorated to the point Connery would not negotiate with the producers for his part in "Diamonds are Forever" and had to negotiate directly with United Artists CEO David Picker. Needs to be mentioned.User:JCHeverly 00:21, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 7 March 2014
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Sean Connery's Knighthood 200.142.110.21 (talk) 18:15, 7 March 2014 (UTC) Sean Connery has the title of Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire (KBE) and not the Knight Bachelor. He was ordained in July 2000 with Scottish honors and is considered one of the greatest members of this order.
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The cited source from the London Daily Gazette specifically lists him as a Knight Bachelor, and the other two sources referencing his knighthood do not give specifics as to title or order. --ElHef (Meep?) 19:16, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
Scottish National Party
Connery is obviously well known as a supporter of Scottish independence, but I don't really see what basis there is for including "political party" in the box at the top right of the article. He might be a member, but he's not a politician and has no official role with the party as far as I can see - certainly nothing is mentioned in the article other than him being a donor and making some personal appearances.
There are a huge number of actors/musicians who are close supporters of political parties, but I've never seen any of them with a mention of this in their box on Wikipedia. He's not known for his politics, he's known for his acting and it seems odd (if not self-promotional as I would guess this has been added by someone who is also a supporter of the party and wants to emphasise it) to display the information like this. 158.143.82.199 (talk) 16:23, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 14 May 2014
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Please include in this article the fact that Sean Connery is a known misogynist. Labeling him as an actor and producer is just as important as pointing out the fact that he believes that "An open-handed slap is justified – if all other alternatives fail and there has been plenty of warning. If a woman is a bitch, or hysterical, or bloody-minded continually, then I'd do it", which basically means that women deserve violence if they speak their minds.
References: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sean_Connery https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo0d1zTAFKA http://seanconneryonline.com/art_playboy1165.htm
Please change "He was knighted by Elizabeth II in July 2000, and received the Kennedy Center Honors in the US." to "He was knighted by Elizabeth II in July 2000, and received the Kennedy Center Honors in the US. He is also a known misogynist." Any other method of incorporating this fact or his views about women in the opening paragraphs are acceptable.
A paragraph MUST be included in this article about his views and statements, as this is meant to be a true depiction of the person.
Thank you. 110.174.76.52 (talk) 15:02, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
Not done - As per WP:UNDUE - Arjayay (talk) 16:13, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 6 September 2014
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In Personal Life section, after paragraph ending with "1975." and before the paragraph about his golfing interests, please add the following:
Controversial Views
In the November 1965 issue of Playboy magazine, Connery explained his views about women, saying, "I don't think there is anything particularly wrong about hitting a woman -- although I don't recommend doing it in the same way that you'd hit a man. An openhanded slap is justified -- if all other alternatives fail and there has been plenty of warning. If a woman is a bitch, or hysterical, or bloody-minded continually, then I'd do it. I think a man has to be slightly advanced, ahead of the woman. I really do -- by virtue of the way a man is built, if nothing else. But I wouldn't call myself sadistic. I think one of the appeals that Bond has for women, however, is that he is decisive, cruel even. By their nature women aren't decisive -- "Shall I wear this? Shall I wear that?" -- and along comes a man who is absolutely sure of everything and he's a godsend. And, of course, Bond is never in love with a girl and that helps. He always does what he wants, and women like that. It explains why so many women are crazy about men who don't give a rap for them."
In 1987, during an ABC-TV interview with Barbara Walters, the host asked Connery if his views had changed. He said no: "Not at all. I don't think [slapping is] that bad. I think that it depends entirely on the circumstances, and if it merits it....If you have tried everything else, and women are pretty good at this, they can't leave it alone, they want to have the last word, and you give them the last word, but they're not happy with the last word -- they want to say it again and get into a really provocative situation, then I think it's absolutely right."
Henrygmark (talk) 05:03, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
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template. out of scope for simple edit request, these are indeed controversial things to add to a biographical article on a living person and the sources used must be of high quality. Cannolis (talk) 02:55, 14 September 2014 (UTC)- Why is this controversial? These are views he explicitly stated on two of the most public, international stages in existence - Playboy magazine and Barbara Walters, and which are consistent decades apart. It is pretty safe to say these are his views, the edit is his own words, in quote format. The sources are infallible. He said it on air, before many millions of viewers.[6] Please implement this change. There are no objections - I think that indicates consensus.TMagen (talk) 09:40, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
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template. There has been no further discussion or attempts to obtain a consensus, and I'm closing this request as such. Please, start a discussion, obtain consensus, then post a PER to have the edit made on your behalf (if needed). — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 13:37, 25 November 2014 (UTC)- Where should this discussion take place? So far there are some pros here, no cons. No explanation why direct repeated quotes from the person himself is considered controversial... What would constitute consensus in this case?31.168.133.146 (talk) 15:38, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
- Oh, okay, I see. You mean here. Will do.31.168.133.146 (talk) 15:40, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
- Where should this discussion take place? So far there are some pros here, no cons. No explanation why direct repeated quotes from the person himself is considered controversial... What would constitute consensus in this case?31.168.133.146 (talk) 15:38, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
References
- ^ MacDonald, Stuart (25 September 2005). "Jealous Connery beat me, says ex-wife". The Scotsman. UK. Retrieved 29 September 2007.
- ^ "Barbra Walters interviews Sean Connery on smackin' bitches". YouTube. Retrieved 29 September 2007.
- ^ Paul Scott (8 August 2008). "Sean Connery: The story of a brilliant but deeply flawed man | Mail Online". The Daily Mail. London. Retrieved 10 March 2010.
- ^ http://seanconneryonline.com/art_playboy1165.htm
- ^ https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=sean%20connery%20barbara%20walters
- ^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo0d1zTAFKA
Supports Gun Control
This should be brought up. http://www.gunsandammo.com/uncategorized/8-surprising-anti-gun-celebrities/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.94.158.182 (talk) 19:53, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
- Why should it be brought up? I think most of the world supports gun control, particularly outside the USA. Destynova (talk) 11:03, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
Connery Violence Towards Women, History of & Opinion On
There is no mention of Connery's repeated statements about having slapped his wife around, and promoting slapping women around as his basic philosophy. I see there are other requests for edits on this above, and it has been suggested by Henrygmark to edit the entry to include the following:
- In the November 1965 issue of Playboy magazine, Connery explained his views about women, saying, "I don't think there is anything particularly wrong about hitting a woman -- although I don't recommend doing it in the same way that you'd hit a man. An openhanded slap is justified -- if all other alternatives fail and there has been plenty of warning. If a woman is a bitch, or hysterical, or bloody-minded continually, then I'd do it. I think a man has to be slightly advanced, ahead of the woman. I really do -- by virtue of the way a man is built, if nothing else. But I wouldn't call myself sadistic. I think one of the appeals that Bond has for women, however, is that he is decisive, cruel even. By their nature women aren't decisive -- "Shall I wear this? Shall I wear that?" -- and along comes a man who is absolutely sure of everything and he's a godsend. And, of course, Bond is never in love with a girl and that helps. He always does what he wants, and women like that. It explains why so many women are crazy about men who don't give a rap for them."
- In 1987, during an ABC-TV interview with Barbara Walters, the host asked Connery if his views had changed. He said no: "Not at all. I don't think [slapping is] that bad. I think that it depends entirely on the circumstances, and if it merits it....If you have tried everything else, and women are pretty good at this, they can't leave it alone, they want to have the last word, and you give them the last word, but they're not happy with the last word -- they want to say it again and get into a really provocative situation, then I think it's absolutely right."
- Sources:
(cited below)
and there are these sources as well, and many other high quality sources: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo0d1zTAFKA and http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/17/arts/television/barbara-walterss-farewell-and-legacy.html
I understand this was mentioned and removed in the past - I don't understand why, and strongly feel this needs to be revisited. If it was a rumor I'd agree, but these are repeated statements, in Connery's own words, over decades. I can't imagine that if someone was a member of a Nazi party or the KKK (proven to be so) this would be omitted - it is beyond me how misogyny and violence towards women should be treated any differently than racism. Other reasons given - WP:UNDUE. Well - it also cannot do harm to the man's reputation, as this is something he has strongly reiterated time and again, not something being said about him. It is not a minority view, it is not biased (again - his volunteered view regarding an hugely important issue, in direct quotes), it is not controversial in the sense of pseudo-science or religion... I'm not buying it.
If it wasn't clear - this is my attempt at opening a discussion and achieving consensus as instructed above. Please weigh in.TMagen (talk) 16:05, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
- I agree. if it's a real quote of his I don't see why shouldn't it be a part of the article. Danveg (talk) 17:00, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
- Didn't Diane Cilento corroborate Connery's claims? The matter was rather glaring in its absence from the article.Keith-264 (talk) 23:47, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
- Draft some language you'd want included. the issue in the past has been that the language has been a rather extreme interpretation of what from the sources is a somewhat nuanced position. SPACKlick (talk) 20:50, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
- SPACKlick - What's wrong with the text suggested above? There is zero interpretation (never mind extreme), it is a direct quote from the transcript of an interview of the most watched (at the time) TV journalist in the world. TMagen (talk) 09:15, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
- And from a printed interview in the most widely read men's magazine... Which he later corroborated himself. TMagen (talk) 09:20, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
- There are plenty of sources:Connery, that one carries not only the quote from above but also his wife's report of having been beaten unconscious. It's fundamentally integral to his bio at this point to include such information from these multiple reliable sources found across decades....76.239.17.190 (talk) 02:38, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
- I'm not sure where this discussion is at but I was also very surprised not to find Connery's misogyny discussed. Niedzielski (talk) 01:49, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
- There are plenty of sources:Connery, that one carries not only the quote from above but also his wife's report of having been beaten unconscious. It's fundamentally integral to his bio at this point to include such information from these multiple reliable sources found across decades....76.239.17.190 (talk) 02:38, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
- And from a printed interview in the most widely read men's magazine... Which he later corroborated himself. TMagen (talk) 09:20, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
- SPACKlick - What's wrong with the text suggested above? There is zero interpretation (never mind extreme), it is a direct quote from the transcript of an interview of the most watched (at the time) TV journalist in the world. TMagen (talk) 09:15, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
'Being a Scot'
No reference to his quasi-memoirs 'Being a Scot'. Why did this book go through so many redrafts, following angry disputes with several collaborators? Valetude (talk) 15:27, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
Not Michael Foote - Michael Foot
Please change the link to 'Michael Foote' near the beginning of the paragraph 'Personal Life'. It links to the wrong person. You want this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Foot
Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.135.142.206 (talk) 09:58, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
- Done Thanks for picking this up. I have made the change. Keith D (talk) 11:44, 11 July 2015 (UTC)