Talk:Settle–Carlisle line

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Latest comment: 2 years ago by Redrose64 in topic Page move

Page move

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What exactly is the rationale for moving this to "Settle to Carlisle Railway". Settle and Carslile is by far the most common name for the line. G-Man 20:07, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I agree, this move is illogical as it's universally known as the "Settle and Carlisle Railway". Who moved it? (I can't spot the move with a cursory look...) -- Arwel 22:36, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)

moved again to Settle-Carlisle. By the following reasoning:

The most common name is Settle-Carlisle, that is what we should use with redirects from everywhere else. The S&C is a colloquialism I think, I'm not sure what the Act of Parliament used but ess-'n'-see is easier to say than ess-t'-see (in my best Yarkshire/Cumbrian accent)

Your search results are pretty meaningless as words such as 'and' and 'to' are excluded from the search.
Also all the books I have refer to it as the 'Settle and Carslile Railway' also nearly all the links are to Settle and Carslile. I dont see why it shouldent be moved back G-Man 23:08, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)
No axe to grind either way but I've just fixed all links to the redirect pages to point to Settle-Carlisle Railway. Will watch this page and undo if necessary. Dave.Dunford 19:13, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

As a train-spotting Yorkshireman who has read widely on the subject of the S&C I think it ludicrous to call it anything but the Settle and Carlisle. It is in this form that it has gained the fame that grants it a place in this project. In addition, throughout the article reference is continually made to the S&C, not the S-C or the S to C. --Northener 14:50, 7 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

Settle-Carlisle railway or Settle-Carlisle line is how it has been known officially throughout its history and how Network Rail, the train operators and the locals still refer to it. The hyphen isn't usually pronounced - it's just a hyphen. "And" is conventionally used in the titles of railway companies - Stockton and Darlington Railway, Liverpool and Manchester Railway etc. - which the Settle-Carlisle never was. "Settle and Carlisle" seems to be mainly used in the titles of YouTube videos. Northern rock (talk) 18:09, 30 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Nasty swimmer: You're commenting on a thread that was last posted to sixteen years ago. The most recent discussion (which is now closed) is at #Requested move 12 October 2016, below. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 06:06, 1 July 2022 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 27 September 2016

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: The new suggested page title is not appropriate. However, editors have made a point about consistency regarding a different title, and yes, it matters but recognizability is another important factor. Simply because other articles have similar titles do not make it an universal truth. I kind of agree to RedRose's opinion and I think it's the domino effect which causes our shift to consistency. I hope that if editors are having any issue with naming systems, they will conduct RfCs. Lastly, with no prejudice, this page is "not moved". --QEDK (T C) 20:04, 6 October 2016 (UTC)Reply


Settle-Carlisle LineSettle - Carlisle Line – A small edit, but according to the website seen here [1], on the SCL logo, there needs to be a space between the dash Nathan A RF (talk) 16:19, 27 September 2016 (UTC)Reply

I would strongly oppose any such move because Wikipedia style does not insert spaces on each side of an en-dash (see Dash). In addition, the Friends of the line use the correct format (see [2]), and the website you cite is inconsistent in its use of the dash, inserting spaces only in the logo and main heading (see [3] and [4]). The references in the article, including the BBC and the Craven Herald, do not insert spaces. Dbfirs 17:11, 27 September 2016 (UTC)Reply
Please see Nathan's talk page and its history --Northernhenge (talk) 18:23, 27 September 2016 (UTC)Reply
Thank you for the notification. I'd assumed that Nathan was an innocent railway enthusiast, and I could see his argument, but it didn't hold on further investigation. Logos are sometimes not set out as formal English. Dbfirs 19:05, 27 September 2016 (UTC)Reply
Oppose as not per our style guides, though I would suggest a move to an em-dash en-dash version rather than a dash Settle–Carlisle Line. Keith D (talk) 20:50, 27 September 2016 (UTC)Reply
Oh, yes! The title should match the content, but it's an en-dash not an em-dash. (Thanks, I knew you meant en-dash) The short one is called a hyphen. I hadn't noticed that the redirect is the wrong way round. Does anyone object to Keith's suggested move over the redirect, then do a redirect from the hyphen version? There is no redirect from the em-dash title (Settle—Carlisle Line) but Wikipedia software seems to convert the em-dash to an en-dash in the search. If we do agree that the title should match the content with an en-dash, then a number of other articles will need to be edited. (I don't mind doing this, but will wait for others' opinions before taking any action.) Dbfirs 21:13, 27 September 2016 (UTC)Reply
Comment, If this is going to be moved, should this not be moved to Settle and Carlisle Railway? as that is what it is universally known as. G-13114 (talk) 23:01, 27 September 2016 (UTC)Reply
Since the saving of the line, the usual name is Settle–Carlisle Line, though there might be communities (not universes) where the word "and" is used. One such is the Settle and Carlisle Railway Trust. Dbfirs 00:06, 28 September 2016 (UTC)Reply

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Requested move 12 October 2016

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The result of the move request was: No consensus. Love the nuances! I see no actual agreement here; however, I will go ahead with the slight mod of scrapping the hyphen in favor of an unspaced endash. And this with no prejudice as regards any near-future outcomes of perpheral discussions and move requests. (non-admin closure)  Paine  u/c 05:44, 7 November 2016 (UTC)Reply


Settle-Carlisle LineSettle to Carlisle Line – I actually think something of a consensus was starting to form for this new title in the discussion above, but I won't challenge the close since it wasn't actually the proposed title - it will be easier to reopen with the new proposal. My reasoning? WP:CONSISTENCY mainly. Take a look at Category:Railway lines in North West England, and you'll see this one is clearly the outlier. All other lines are named with "A to B Line" format, for example Leeds to Morecambe Line, Liverpool to Wigan Line, etc. The argument made above that this terminology should only apply for one direction lines isn't really valid, since all those other examples are also two-way lines. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 11:58, 12 October 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. -- Tavix (talk) 19:27, 29 October 2016 (UTC)Reply


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First regular scheduled service with a steam engine?

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A recent edit has added the text "the first regular scheduled service with a steam engine for more than half a century on the British rail network" - what about The Jacobite service between Fort William and Mallaig, that has been running timetabled services (daily or even twice daily) every summer for over thirty years; or GWR steam rail motor no. 93 which worked all services between Liskeard and Looe for a week or so in 2012? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:09, 14 February 2017 (UTC)Reply

BBC News are reporting it so there is a reliable source even if it's debatable. --Northernhenge (talk) 22:15, 14 February 2017 (UTC)Reply
I've adjusted the sentence to make it more probably true, but I agree that it needs checking, especially the Liskeard and Looe service in 2012. I recall sitting on the end of the tunnel to watch the last scheduled steam train on the line on August 11th 1968, and maybe journalists are thinking of this and not checking the facts properly. There have, of course, been regular special steam services on the line for many years. Dbfirs 23:24, 14 February 2017 (UTC)Reply
I watched the report on BBC News at Ten tonight, and they qualified it by saying "... in England", which of course means that even if they are aware of The Jacobite, they're not glossing it over. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 01:30, 15 February 2017 (UTC)Reply
I support Yngvadottir's improvements to the article, except that the line is not yet open beyond Appleby. Dbfirs 20:53, 15 February 2017 (UTC)Reply
Thanks. I'd entirely missed in the sources that the line was not completely reopened. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:09, 15 February 2017 (UTC)Reply
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