Talk:She Stoops to Conquer

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This play had rave reviews here in Manchester, UK so I went to see it yesterday and thought it was utterly dismal. This "Tony Lumpkin" character considering he was a great comic of literature was nothing more than extremely loud and annoying and not at all funny, just over dramatic, like a giant melodramatic hobbit.

I thought this play was terrible. By the end of Act 1 I didnt remotely know what was going on, nor care about the outcome, or any of the characters, so I left. I've never done that before, but the idea of sitting through Act 2 was too much. TR_Wolf

Did it occur to you that the problem was a bad performance, not that the play itself was bad? If you are talking about a single performance, why is this comment relevant to the article? Bad performances of good plays take place all the time. CharlesTheBold 00:49, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Meaning of the title

One thing I did not understand from the article - where does the title come from? To what does it refer?

- Kate has to 'stoop' socially, by pretending she is a poor relation of the family, to seduce marlow ('to conquer'). In her guise as a poor relative, Marlow becomes quite comfortable around her, whereas when she presents her true social status to him, he becomes a blubbering wreck.

She says so herself in Act iv: "I'll still preserve the character in which i have stooped to conquer, but will undeceive my papa", and shows the importance of this major aspect: "Simplicity" (naturalness of the heart - not the mind) conquers men.Flammingo^Parliament 20:09, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

The reason that the title is unclear is that the plot description here is so appaling. It describes several of the subplots, but does not describe the main plot. This is just plain sloppy! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.132.78.215 (talk) 07:42, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Play / Films

I remove the film request templates and add the WP Theater. The article mentions several films and I find six with the same title (1910 (USA), 1914 (UK), 1923 (UK), 1939 (UK/TV), 1971(UK/TV, which by the way has a 9.8 rating!), 2003(V)). Hoverfish Talk 18:31, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Updated w/importance & class SkierRMH 10:46, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Appearance and Reality

I'd say this is a pretty prominent theme in the play, and a link to other famous works, especially those of Shakespeare. This may fit in in the 'three unities' section of the article. Monkeymox 08:39, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Improvement in Marlowe's character

The article fails to note an improvement in Marlowe's character that justifies Kate's faith in him. At the start all he wants to do is seduce the "barmaid"; by the end he is willing to treat her as an equal and marry her, something almost unheard of in the 1700's. CharlesTheBold 00:49, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Confusion

The character section is longer than the plot section. This does not seem right. Lots42 (talk) 14:53, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

• Technically, the plot is just a summary (see My Bloody Valentine 3D for a too-long plot example). As long as the character section does not merely repeat info from elsewhere in the article AND is sourced, the section should be OK.

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First, is it possible to wikilink Project Gutenburg texts to the corresponding Wikipedia articles?

As a classic English short play, this article should have more references, information on adaptations, background on the author's inspiration (if available), contemporary reception info, references in other fields and from later art forms, and in-depth play analysis. Note that this listing is only a cursory summary, and I would welcome other appropriate additions. I would like to see this article end up more like A Midsummer Night's Dream (although this is an extended play). Sincerely, CB...(ö) 23:21, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

The plot

Maybe some one could add the main plot to the section for the plot. Some genius wrote the sub-plots but left out the main plot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.132.78.215 (talk) 07:45, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

No, it was old vandalism. Fix to follow. Well spotted.--Old Moonraker (talk) 08:05, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Done. --Old Moonraker (talk) 09:00, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Irish or Anglo-Irish?

This article refers to Goldsmith as an Irish poet. The main article on Oliver Goldsmith refers to him as Anglo-Irish. There's a discussion of this on the Goldsmith Talk Page. For the sake of consistency, I've changed this article so Goldsmith is now called "Anglo-Irish" in it. (I have zero ponies in this race. I'm just going for consistency.) dweinberger 12:24, 3 May 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dweinberger (talk • contribs)

Origin of the title: Behn or Dryden/Chesterfield

It is not difficult to verify that Dryden wrote "kneels to conquer" and was misquoted by Chesterfield. But I can find no evidence, apart from quotations from this article, that the phrase was popularized by Aphra Behn in The Rover or elsewhere. In fact, the word "stoop" appears nowhere in the text of either part of The Rover. Absent supporting evidence, I am removing this claim. 209.179.122.190 (talk) 15:19, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

opera link to wrong person

Opera reference is to thefather of the opera writer. 2600:1700:C280:3FD0:D1B2:1B37:E5FD:B72C (talk) 08:04, 6 February 2022 (UTC)