Talk:Taissir Tamimi

Notability?

I have never heard of this guy and can find hardly anything about him anywhere. Does he meet Wikipedia notability guidelines? Those who think so, please provide the evidence or argument here and improve the article's referencing. Tiamut 16:50, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Lede

The 10-minute" papal controversy" does not belong in the lead; not really something Tamimi is notable for. If anything, his lengthy career in reforming Islamic law in the Palestinian territories should be mentioned. Also, why did you remove the fact that Tamimi was born in Hebron from the lead? I added the citation. --Al Ameer son (talk) 21:06, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

The papal controversy is notable because it is the only way he is internationally known. He received international media coverage for his diatribe. Outside of that, people know little about him nor is it notable on a global scale. Regarding his being born in Hebron, it should be placed in a bio section, but not in the lead with a reference. References should be avoided in the lead.ShamWow (talk) 04:47, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

his place of birth is, of course, notable. and, "diatribe", is POV here, just as the formulation, it would be his "nationalist views" which bring him into conflict with israel. one could also say it's israels occupation policy in the west bank which "brings him into this conflict".--Severino (talk) 16:07, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

It has been described as a "tirade" in various sources across the political spectrum [1], [2], [3]. We can use that term instead.ShamWow (talk) 16:40, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

The lead is not exactly ideal and there's not enough info about his early life (in fact, no info except that he was born in Hebron and his father Rajab was detained by Israel in the late 1960s.) We don't have to use what the sources say, even if there news sources. Many news sources are reliable, but they could use words that are not NPOV per Wikipedia's guidelines such as "terrorist" or "extremist". The best word I could think of to use is "condemnation." As for having the info in the lead, it's good that it has been reduced, but it still looks more imposing than anything else so could someone add a bit about his long career in leading the Islamic court in the Palestinian territories for balance. --Al Ameer son (talk) 19:57, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Changed the term from tirade-->denunciation/condemnation. If you can find more info about his early life, that's great - it still doesn't need to be in the lead though but in a bio section. Lead functions as a summation of the article, with attention paid to more notable events. The lead can be expanded. Also, would you mind properly footnoting the refs you added.ShamWow (talk) 21:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for cooperating and remaining cordial throughout. I'll try to find more on his early life and emailed PASSIA to create a mini-biography on him on their website as they do with dozens of notable Palestinians. Hopefully, we'll get something of use. I'm not sure what's improper about the formatting. Do you mean we should use Harvnb style? --Al Ameer son (talk) 01:05, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Glad we found accommodation. For how you're citing now, I would try this - WP:Citing_sources/Further_considerations#Wikilinks_to_full_references. Hope you find more info on the Sheikh.ShamWow (talk) 19:12, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

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