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Tangential details and lengthy lists
editit looks like the article is getting updated to include a lot of unnessasry details that burry the more meaningful and on-topic content. The lengthy lists of speakers at LChaim and gala awardees doesn't seem meaningful to the topic of the article. These tangential details inhibit readablity and feel like WP:COATRACK. Some other details also add lots of context but do so in a way that detract from the main topic of the article: like the Divorce Rates graph and listing that he advocated for the medical benefits of male circumcision and listing out those benefits. Readers can follow the links to the respective wiki articles to get a more complete look at tangential topics. Ew3234 (talk) 02:56, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- First, there is zero on Wikipedia that is "necessary." Second, this is odd coming from an editor who has been militating for inclusion of information from a self-published blog, with zero editorial oversight. From a disgraced former journalist. That's really strange. Third, the complained about text - in contrast to the text this editor militates for - is actually in each case supported by RSs that report on the subject of the article. I'm open at the same time to discussing the benefit or not of including the graph in question - in that instance, while it does serve the purpose of images at wp, in illustrating a point discussed in the article, in this case the rate of divorce, it is the case that the graph itself does not discuss the subject of this article; that might be reason to consider deleting it. As to the subject's views on male circumcision, in contrast, that is covered - in fact in many, way beyond what this article presents - RSs, covering the subject. Anyway, if you would like to discuss the graph, I'm open to that, and think there may well be something to your point there. By the way, last point, I don't think the discussion of using a self-published source has been concluded .. self-published sources are not looked on favorably at the project, and are never to be used when they relate to a blp. --2603:7000:2143:8500:10EC:F3D6:EA24:8DE2 (talk) 22:38, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- Hmmm. I'm not sure how to respond to this. For the 1st point, see WP:TMI. For the rest, it seems like you've cast me in some poor light and your reponse feels like a personal attack (no need for the "this is odd coming from an editor who..." language). I don't think the topic of Friedman and RS is relavent to what I raised in this section and I would like to instead focus on the subject at hand. Perhaps, a neutral thrid party can weigh in. Ew3234 (talk) 00:09, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
- It's not at all an attack on you as a person. It is an observation not about you, but about the oddity of your editing seeking inclusion of a non-RS, coupled with your suggestion that we trim RS material. On the one hand, you have been advocating strenuously to include what is clearly a gossip blogger's no-editorial-oversight self-published source as a reference, with associated text. As we know, anyone can create a personal web page. And the rule at wp is never to use self-published sources as third-party sources about other living people. Ever. That I think you would have to agree is the case. You also haven't come back with your further thoughts on the chart, responding to my above suggestion that we discuss it. Anyway, I've taken a hand to making the article more readable, and will do more of that when I have a moment. --2603:7000:2143:8500:10EC:F3D6:EA24:8DE2 (talk) 00:48, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
- Hmmm. I'm not sure how to respond to this. For the 1st point, see WP:TMI. For the rest, it seems like you've cast me in some poor light and your reponse feels like a personal attack (no need for the "this is odd coming from an editor who..." language). I don't think the topic of Friedman and RS is relavent to what I raised in this section and I would like to instead focus on the subject at hand. Perhaps, a neutral thrid party can weigh in. Ew3234 (talk) 00:09, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
Harrasment of editors and suppression of relevant information by anonymous contributors.
editUser: 2603:7000:2101:AA00:8463:3822:2153:CF14
conducting suppression of information regarding Shmuley Boteach's highlight public engagements.
Despite sourcing, anon repeatedly deleted information and reported users to administrators as assuming bad faith. then engaged in harassment of administrators as a form of WP:Hounding against user edits they content disagreement with. Smartiest Marty (talk) 04:12, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- in the edit history of the Shmuley Boteach's page, this is a common pattern of anon accounts editing and sanitising factual engagements and quotes from Shmuley, without libel. Smartiest Marty (talk) 04:13, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Specific text to be added* Reason for the change: To be added under Media Career as this information covers a major event in Shmuley Boteach's history. All information is directly extracted from sources and represented as communicated in sources.
Heading: Conflict with Mohammed Hijab
Shmuley Boteach entered mainstream awareness after his appearance on the Piers Morgan show "Uncensored", to debate, against Mohammed Hijab, the Oct 2023 escalation of tensions between the resistance group Hamas and the Israeli Apartheid Regime. In the course of the interview, Shmuley touched on the topic of owning a sex shop, to which Mohammed Hijab gave Rabbi Shmuley the nickname, "Unholy Shmuley". This is because Boteach co-owns an adult erotic store, Kosher Sex, with his daughter, Chana Boteach, seemingly in contradiction of being a Rabbi, a religious leader of faith.
Toward the end of the segment, Morgan described the 1 hour debate as "the most dispiriting hour" of his career, as the debate was carried out with Boteach veering off into tangents of ad-hominem attacks against Hijab and Palestinians, while Hijab responded in kind while holding up visual aids of Palestinian infants ripped to shreds by Israeli Air-strikes. Smartiest Marty (talk) 03:42, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Sub-heading: Context
- Following the escalation of tensions between the resistance group Hamas against Israel's apartheid in October 2023, Talk TV's Piers Morgan's invited Mohammed Hijab unto his interview-talk show "Uncensored", to discuss the topic, which aired on 17th Oct, 2024. As of 8th Sept, 2024, it has become the 8th most viewed video on the Uncensored youtube channel, garnering 8,432,00 views, and has contributed to increasing support for the Palestinian plight.
- Following this, Shmuley Boteach challenged Mohammed Hijab to a debate on X(previously twitter) after appearing on Piers Morgan's show to present the Israeli perspective on the escalation. In this appearance, Boteach debated the topic with Cenk Uygur, a US Presidential Candidate at the time and an established critic of Israel's apartheid, thus setting the precedent to his and Hijab's e. As of Sep 8th, this video has 2,075,00 view on YouTube, making it the 82nd most viewed video on the Uncensored YouTube channel.
- Reason for the change: information relevant to person pertaining to their presence in mainstream awareness.
- References supporting change:
- Piers Morgan Uncensored (November 16, 2023). Mohammed Hijab vs Rabbi Shmuley On Palestine and Israel | The Full Debate With Piers Morgan. Retrieved September 8, 2024 – via YouTube.
- "About Us". Kosher Sex. Retrieved September 8, 2024. https://kosher.sex/about-us/
- Piers Morgan Uncensored (October 16, 2023). Piers Morgan vs Mohammed Hijab On Palestine and Israel-Hamas War | The Full Debate – via YouTube.
- Boteach, Schmuley. "Rabbi Shmuley Boteach's Twitter". Retrieved September 08,2024.
- Piers Morgan Uncensored (November 9, 2023). Israel-Hamas War: Piers Morgan vs Rabbi Shmuley And Cenk Uygur Going Head-to-Head In Fiery CLASH. Retrieved September 8, 2024 – via YouTube. Smartiest Marty (talk) 03:43, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- The talk messages are divided due to surpassing the world limit for new-topic/replies. Smartiest Marty (talk) 03:44, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- The above content is a reflection of previous edit made which was undid by Anon:IP
- Admins advised that an edit request be made due to the segment itself falls under contentious topics.
- Previous Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shmuley_Boteach&diff=prev&oldid=1244771493 Smartiest Marty (talk) 03:47, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Are there no sources independent of the event covering it? —C.Fred (talk) 11:55, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- There are third party sources covering the event. Written sources are predominantly tabloid sources from zionist blogs and skynews op-eds, these are however inadmissable by WP:Living Person Biography policies. There are audio/visual sources of various podcasts reviewing/critiquing the interaction, which I have only consumed minorly. As well social media sources of verified thought leaders collectively chipping in their opinions. However the discourse, on both sides of the spectrum, didn't deviate from the critiques already presented in the original media (i.e. the interview itself).
- What is on your mind, how can I help? Smartiest Marty (talk) 05:45, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
Not done: The events under discussion here are not of encyclopaedic value and no evidence of appropriate sourcing has been provided. Axad12 (talk) 16:46, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Are there no sources independent of the event covering it? —C.Fred (talk) 11:55, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- The talk messages are divided due to surpassing the world limit for new-topic/replies. Smartiest Marty (talk) 03:44, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
