Talk:Shuttle-Centaur

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 20:37, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

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Shuttle-Centaur booster on display at the Glenn Research Center

• ... that the Shuttle-Centaur booster on display at the Glenn Research Center (pictured) was once intended to send a space probe to Jupiter? Source: [1]
  • ALT1:... that the Shuttle-Centaur booster (test article on display at the Glenn Research Center pictured) was once intended to send a space probe to Jupiter? Source: [2]

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/This Dust Was Once the Man
• Comment: If you can think of a better hook go right ahead

Created by Hawkeye7 (talk). Self-nominated at 12:05, 18 October 2020 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Although the page was technically created October 1, the article was moved into mainspace on October 18. No need for an alt hook IMO; this one is already quite interesting. Good work on the article. The only minor reservation I initially had was I wasn't familiar with the reliability of the Spaceflight Insider source, but after looking through the website's background, I think it has sufficient editorial oversight that this isn't a problem. Good to go. Mz7 (talk) 22:18, 20 October 2020 (UTC) I've added a second, NASA, source. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:27, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Hi, I came by to promote this, but where does the article or source say that this particular shuttle was once intended to send a space probe to Jupiter? Or do all Shuttle-Centaurs fit into this same category? Yoninah (talk) 00:07, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

  "Originally scheduled to fly in 1986, the Centaur-G's use on board the space shuttle was cancelled after the Challenger accident that year. At the time of the tragedy, two Centaur-G Prime stages were in preparation to launch with NASA's Ulysses and Galileo planetary spacecraft to study the Sun and Jupiter, respectively." (The Ulysses probe to the Sun would have gone by way of the Jupiter.) "One of the Centaur-G Prime stages built for the shuttle is believed to have been modified for the launch of NASA's Cassini probe to Saturn atop a Titan IVB rocket in 1997." "The Space and Rocket Center had labeled the Centaur-G now being moved as a mockup, though there is some data that points to it being the other stage originally built for the program. Glenn Research Center's records identify it being a high-fidelity ground test article." [3]

  I have created an ALT1, with the wording slightly altered. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:34, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

• Thank you. Restoring tick per Mz7's review. Yoninah (talk) 20:35, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Shuttle-Centaur/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 18:19, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Lead

• "To enable its installation a Shuttle's payload bay, the diameter of the Centaur's liquid hydrogen tank was increased" - No matter how many times I read this, it just doesn't seem right. Not sure if it's a grammar error or a comprehension error on my end.

  Y Deleted this sentence. Don't think it needs to be in the lead. (Personally, I don't look at the lead much, and rarely pay much attention to it.)

• Probably a touch on the short side for the lead. None of the congressional stuff that is mentioned quite a bit in the article never appears in the lead, for instance.

• Expanded the lead. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:32, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Centaur

• "which were coming under intense scrutiny by increasing cost-conscious Congress" - Should this be increasingly?

  Y Yes. Corrected. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:32, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Space Shuttle upper stages

• "A series of study contracts wet let, resulting in a decision that the IUS would be an expendable solid-fuel upper stage" - Wet?

  Y Should have been "were". Corrected. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:32, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Deep space probes

• "On 6 February 1981 Strom Thurmond, the President pro tempore of the Senate, write directly to David Stockman" - You'll want the past tense of write

  Y Typo. Corrected. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:32, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Congressional approval

• "and reduce the number of Moons visited by half when it got there" - Not convinced that Moons should be capitalized

  Y De-capped. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:32, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Design

• "On 30 August 1982 A meeting of representatives of the NASA centers" - Lowercase A, and comma after 1982

  Y De-capped. Comma added. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:32, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

• The payload length given in the prose for Centaur G Prime varies from that given in the infobox

  Y Fixed this. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:32, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Infobox

• Not seeing where the gross and empty masses are cited anywhere

  Y Added. In practice, things were more complicated. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:32, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Management

• "He was an Associate administrator at NASA Headquarters" - I'm pretty sure either Associate should be lowercase or administrator should be capitalized

  Y De-capped. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:32, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

• "in 1985. this permitted an increase in staff for the first time in 20" - Start the sentence off with a capital letter

  Y De-capped. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:32, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

• Is it Marty Winkler or Marty Winkkler? Page 189 of this PDF suggests Winkler. You use Winkkler.

  Y Typo. Corrected. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:32, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Preparations

• "The theme music from Star War was played, a crowd of 300" - I do believe it's Star Wars

  Y Corrected. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:32, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

• "SC-1 as then flown to the Kennedy Space Center, where it was mated with CISS-1, which had arrived two months before." - Was, not as?

  Y Corrected. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:32, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

That's it, I think. Mostly just copy editing stuff. Placing on hold. Hog Farm _Bacon 01:08, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Excellent Article

It is amazing how much effort you put in to write this excellent article and to incorporate all the small details and contextual information. All of this, just for an upperstage. I really enjoyed reading that article. Thanks a lot! --2.42.109.83 (talk) 18:06, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

money calculations

"Under Stofan, the Lewis Research Center budget went from $133 million (equivalent to $385 million in 2019) to $188 million (equivalent to $387 million in 2019) in 1985. " something must be wrong when the input increases 55 million and the output increases 2 million. 84.215.194.30 (talk) 21:44, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, that's the way it was. In the wake of the 1979 oil crisis there was double-digit inflation in the United States for several years. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 05:40, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Refueling on the launch pad

How should refueling be done on the launch pad? Did the launch towers on launch pads 39A and 39B have a corresponding arm? Would the gates of the space shuttle's cargo bay have to be opened to do this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:DF:1F22:7423:F197:53D:BA92:5B1E (talk) 12:27, 16 May 2023 (UTC)