Talk:Simon Sheppard (activist)

Pscyhologist?

A man who is only in the public eye for running two websites; one which displays people's personal details so thugs can (and do) attack them; and the other which is basically a particularly crude extended diatribe against Jews, women, immigrants etc....

My point is; why is he known as "Simon Sheppard (psychologist)"? Is there any proof of his psychological credentials? They are not listed. I suggest they are listed and given reference; or this page be given the less misleading title of "Simon Sheppard (far-right activist)"....— Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.110.31.35 (talk) 23:36, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Holocaust Denial

Is there anything in this article or can be added to the article that would help indicate whether the category 'Holocaust denial' or 'Holocaust denier' is appropriate. Hmains 23:55, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Not a denier as understand it - he appears to be more of a Holocaust celebrator Wilmot1 20:05, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Sheppard clearly is a denier. One need only look at his website and at the books put out by his publishing company to ascertain that. Geraldcohen (talk) 04:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

No, unless his position varies from writing to writing - which does happen - he believes the Holocaust happened. "Denier" is not synonymous with "Anti-semite", although he is that. He believes the holocaust happened and that it was a good idea and would be a good idea to have another, which is a whole other reprehensible kettle of fish than denialism. 24.138.37.175 (talk) 10:17, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

POV

I agree this needs more neutral POV. I know nothing about this guy, so i can't do it. I was just looking because I came across C18 mentioned in a book. Obviously, what they have to say is deplorable. But then Englands ideas on freedom of speech seem to need some help too. At least thats what I am learning here. Outside of Wiki i had never heard of them. Lollipopfop (talk) 06:12, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Calling Redwatch a "hate site" after the article has already outlined exactly what the site is all about seems suspiciously like somebody's own point of view.

There are some definite POV or subjectivity standards issues with this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.11.97.146 (talk) 06:38, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Could you please sign your contributions? Wilmot1 20:05, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

According to Indymedia website

https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/sheffield/2008/07/403668.html?c=on#c199865

Return to Christendom, who has edited this article is in fact Simon Sheppard himself, so one might expect some POV. Exactly what Redwatch is can be gauged from reading the article. "Hate site" is pretty uncontroversial.--Streona (talk) 15:39, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

The editor who anonymously started this section is either ignorant of "Redwatch" or else deliberately pushing a biased point of view. "Redwatch" is quite unambiguously a hate site. JamesBWatson (talk) 07:07, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

When people talk about "hate sites", I learn only that they disagree very strongly with the views espoused by the site. Can we please not use terms so loaded? 84.67.167.28 (talk) 22:06, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

New sources

Daily Mail and the BBC.--Wutwatwot (talk) 21:38, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Or even just do a Google News search for his name. There are plenty.--Wutwatwot (talk) 21:39, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

There are a few other Simon Sheppards who may be confused with this one

Sirius user group http://www.siriususergroup.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/pages/issue.htm http://www.siriususergroup.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/

I cant find anything that links this Simon with the one at Sirius software (there are no links between the various websites) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paraphrased (talk • contribs) 20:50, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

I used to work with Simon Sheppard in the 1980's and I can confirm that he and the Sirius software 'SS' (how apt) are one and the same. He was very clever and intense and may well have been borderline Asperger's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leytonstoner (talk • contribs) 13:17, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Return to UK

BBC News (online and Yorkshire teletext) reported on 16 June 2009 that Sheppard and his colleaague were due to return to UK on 17 June and would be taken to court. This is confirmed by a Yorkshire Post report the same day (Race hate pair set to be deported). I've added this information to the intro, but have not been able to find from the BBC or regional press any confirmation that they did in fact return. Anyone else got details? Emeraude (talk) 11:56, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Simon Sheppard and Steve Whittle were deported from LAX on June 16, arrived in London June 17, where they were arrested, taken briefly to Leeds court, and then to prison. Please write to them at HMP Leeds, 2 Gloucester Terrace, Stanningley Road, Leeds, LS12 2TJ, UK - Simon's prison number is A8042AA. They will appear again in Leeds Crown Court Friday July 10 for sentencing. 173.169.90.98 (talk) 14:48, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Move

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The result of the move request was this will never get consensus. —harej (talk) (cool!) 20:09, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

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Simon Sheppard (far-right activist) → Simon Sheppard (racist) — Since he is now convicted for racist hate crimes, let's not beat about the bush. Bigot would be equally accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.176.82.42 (talk) 18:38, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose. I actually think Simon Sheppard (activist) would be best. Aubergine (talk) 21:07, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose. Analysis/POV doesn't improve anything...racism is in the eye of the beholder and is only one of his positions/philosophies or judge whereas "far-right" describes his overall stance (he also has issues with women and Jews it seems?) and "activist" describes his observed activities as opposed to his internal motivations. (ec) Just "(activist)" seems good, unless we have other activists of this name among which to disambiguate. DMacks (talk)
• Move to Simon Sheppard (activist). There's really no need whatsoever to label the individual as a "racist" in the article title when a neutral disambiguation qualifier exists. Jafeluv (talk) 19:53, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose Neither suggested move is preferable to the current title. "Racist" is too subjective a word; "activist" is too ambiguous and possible misleading without a qualifier. YeshuaDavid • Talk • 22:05, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
  • I don't understand. Why is "activist" ambiguous? Are there other activists named Simon Sheppard? And what's misleading about calling a far-right activist an activist? Jafeluv (talk) 22:24, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
    • I thought in the sense that activist om its own implies a legitimate cause, misleading in the sense that Sheppard is acting for a very fringe movement. I see your point though, change to support for Simon Sheppard (activist). YeshuaDavid • Talk • 15:56, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose - "racist" is a loaded term which is not considered by many to be defined as "one who is convicted of a hate crime". —harej (talk) (cool!) 03:13, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose and agree to move to Simon Sheppard (activist) per Jafeluv. — ^{\`</sup>CRAZY`(lN)`SANE<sup>`/} (talk • contribs) 09:19, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose - "racist" is a hate term used by some on the Left of almost everyone they disagree with. Something neutral. "Far-right activist" is probably best. 84.67.167.28 (talk) 22:04, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

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Shouldn't the result have been move to Simon Sheppard (activist)? Aubergine (talk) 20:11, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

That's what I think too, to be honest. Jafeluv (talk) 20:29, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

This came up in the prior discussion

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The result of the move request was already moved back to Simon Sheppard (activist). No need to jump back through the bureaucratic hoops. Aervanath (talk) 19:03, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

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Simon Sheppard (far-right activist) → Simon Sheppard (activist) — I meant to state that the moving of the article to "Simon Sheppard (racist)" will never gain consensus. However, (activist) seems to have support. I would just like to confirm it. (This does not need to run a full 7 days). —harej (talk) (cool!) 20:37, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

• Support. See above. "Far-right" is unnecessary disambiguation since there are no other activists named Simon Sheppard. See also our naming conventions: "Try to avoid abbreviations or anything capitalised or containing hyphens, dashes or numbers (apart from where more specific guidelines specify particular exceptions to that), and also try to limit to a single, recognisable and highly applicable word regarding the person at hand." Jafeluv (talk) 20:48, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Move move-protected article request

{{editprotected}} Please move this page back as per the discussion above. I don't even think a discussion is necessary. The page was protected after being moved by a vandal. -shirulashem^(talk) 21:04, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Done. --- RockMFR 01:41, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

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Rewrite

This article has been extensively rewritten in order to improve its accuracy, detail and quality. In the lead it is notable that I have changed it to "his far right views" instead of "the views of the far right". This is because many on the far right find Sheppard's worldview too extreme even for them.--Tablemount (talk) 15:04, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

• Anyway, I find this man's writings and publishings... intriguing. To be honest I would not be surprised if he would qualify for having Asperger's syndrome.--Tablemount (talk) 23:11, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Sheppard's other websites

We know that Sheppard runs the Heretical site and Redwatch, but he does have other websites. Anyone know the full list or whether they could be added to the article? He has a site, http://fatherfeeney.org, about Leonard Feeney. Look up the WHOIS information for that domain if you don't believe me.--81.155.250.99 (talk) 13:15, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Steven Whittle released

Info here.--Jackdaw and Wool (talk) 01:29, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Apparently back in prison again for using the internet in breach of bail conditions.--Jackdaw and Wool (talk) 14:48, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Paedophilia

In Sheppard's book, The Tyranny of Ambiguity, he confesseses to being a paedophile who tries to lure girls as young as 11 back to his flat for sex. Is there a way to note this in the article?--X sprainpraxisL (talk) 23:02, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

There is. It's the way that any claim in Wikipedia is referenced: author, title, page, date, publisher. Emeraude (talk) 11:08, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

I've removed this - it's such a contentious and potentially defamatory claim, it needs stronger sourcing than 'he said so in his book'. Allegations of paedophilia are the kind of claim that is only acceptable in WP:BLP articles if clearly supported by multiple independent reliable sources. (To be clear, I'm no fan of Sheppard myself - he seems to be quite a nasty piece of work, but even so, we still have to comply with our own standards regarding him). Robofish (talk) 14:06, 8 July 2011 (UTC)