Talk:Siyazan

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"White Women"

@LouisAragon: Hi, thanks for clarifying it here that it's supposed to be "White Women". I changed it to "Black" based on a similar sentence in Siyazan District article. It also kind of made sense since "siyah" in Persian apparently also means "black". Should we change it to "White Women" in that article as well? Cheers. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 21:14, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: Yeah, I guess we should, for consistency's sake. I found it odd myself as well tbh when I read the entry at first, because, indeed, "siyah" means "black" in Persian. Anyways, we can't question our WP:RS sources unless we have proper sources that can prove them wrong. - LouisAragon (talk) 22:16, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 21 March 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Page moved. Per what I said in my RM closure at Talk:Ismayilli, Yes, accents or other diacritics are allowed per WP:DIACRITICS as long as their used in general from reliable English sources or are the common name from verified sources. And contrary to the RM initiator, the opposition has not demonstrated the use of "Siyəzən" as the common name or presented its use in reliable sources. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm (talk) 23:20, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

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Siyəzən → Siyazan – Move to "Siyazan" per WP:UE/WP:COMMONNAME/WP:ENGLISH. Proof of anglicized name being the common name:

Results from Google News: Siyazan: 933 Siyəzən: 1

Results from Google Scholar: Siyazan: 205 Siyəzən: 28

Individual reliable sources referring to the city as Siyazan: Jamestown Foundation, Wall Street Journal, Reuters, EurasiaNet

This is the same name but an anglicized version. Unlike other small villages, this is a fairly large town, which has made a lot of appearances in English-language media, in most of which, "Siyazan" has been used much more, establishing its WP:COMMONNAME. I'd also like to ask the closing admin to give more attention to the arguments being made rather than the vote counts, as there are people who go over each RM and repeat unrelated policies as an "Oppose" argument. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 17:04, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:DIACRITICS.--Ortizesp (talk) 20:37, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

  Note that the user above has copy-pasted the same comment mentioning a completely irrelevant policy to every single Requested Moves of mine.

  The first sentence from that policy:

  The use of modified letters (such as accents or other diacritics) in article titles is neither encouraged nor discouraged; when deciding between versions of a word which differ in the use or non-use of modified letters, follow the general usage in reliable sources that are written in the English language (including other encyclopedias and reference works). The policy on using common names and on foreign names does not prohibit the use of modified letters, if they are used in the common name as verified by reliable sources.

  See above to know which name English language reliable sources use. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 20:48, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose per Ortizesp. No such user (talk) 14:12, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

  Since Ortizesp failed to explain, could you perhaps try to explain how WP:DIACRITICS is in any way related to this RM? Neither the original name nor the one I want to move to doesn't use any diacritics. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 14:14, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

• Support - I'm convinced by the sufficient sourcing provided by CuriousGolden that the anglicised name is the commonname. Also kind of confused by the bringing up DIACRITICS policy because it's not related here. Gnominite (talk) 14:26, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.