Talk:Slave-Trading in the Old South

Latest comment: 16 days ago by Jengod in topic book cover

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Jengod, hi. Why did you decide to use the modern cover instead of the first edition? — Ирука13 19:40, 25 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Iruka13 The cover that was there is not actually the first edition (I'm not sure the that the first edition had a dust jacket at all altho now I'm curious)--that was the mid-century reprint with the foreword by Allan Nevins. I thought a swap was in order in part to visually demonstrate that it's recently in print and thus still deemed a significant piece of scholarship, and because I thought it was slightly better for copyright-defense reasons to have one scanned from a physical copy rather than borrowed from Amazon. jengod (talk) 19:48, 25 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
If the cover is not discussed in the article, it is used to identify the main subject of the article. Thus, the older cover will be familiar to more readers (MOS:LEAD#Elements#Images).
From a copyright point of view, again, it is more advantageous to use the older cover: copyright shorter. And what you mentioned: exact copies (scans/photos) of two-dimensional objects do not carry additional copyright. However, in this case, as I saw, the image on the cover of the modern edition is used from the title page of the 1931 (1959) year of publication.. so, again, it makes no difference which one is used.
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Looks like I just wasted your time. Sorry. — Ирука13 20:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
No worries! I totally defer to literally anyone else on copyright. But I do know that the image on the recent edition dates to the 1850s or so. I'm too lazy to get off my butt and check but I'm fairly sure it is one of the sketches made by Eyre Crowe on his U.S. tour with Thackeray. So it's safely out of copyright, although I realize any cover as a whole also has copyright protection. The cover art on the 1960s cover is MUCH more visually impactful, for sure, and is almost certainly an original artwork. Blah humbug.
Anyway! Whatever cover works best for keeping us out of trouble is fine with me LOL. Thanks for all your work looking at these things. My head spins at all the rules,
so I appreciate your work. jengod (talk) 20:49, 25 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
If we could prove that the image on this cover was published before 1929 (or that its author died more than 70 years ago), then the entire cover could be licensed as {{PD-US-expired}} + {{PD-simple}}. I didn't make this up) — Ирука13 20:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
Holy mackerel. Well anyway Eyre Crowe (painter) died in 1910. The same image is at the bottom here as "Slave Auction at Richmond, Virginia" and is listed in the book as "frontispiece-a slave auction in Richmond 1853 from a sketch made from life by Eyre Crowe" jengod (talk) 21:22, 25 November 2024 (UTC)Reply