Talk:Slovenian Republic Football League

1951 winners

RSSSF football statistics archive (source) and 80 years of Železničar (link) both claims that 1950 winners was Korotan but 1951 Branik, there is actually a problem because there were never really a 1950–51 season, because both 1949–50 and 1950–"51" seasons finished in 1950, thats why it is sometimes wrongly stated that Korotan won the 1950–51 league (1950–51 season started somewhere in late March or early April in 1950 and finished before the 1951 and Branik have won it, while 1949–50 season finished in February 1950) Matej1234 20:49, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

You seem to be right, just as both 1950 Yugoslav First League and 1950 Yugoslav Second League were played only during 1950. Best regards Matej, you´ve been doing a lot of excellent work around Wikipedia, cheers! FkpCascais (talk) 22:37, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Nop, you are both wrong. :) Actually no season finished in 1950, season 1950 (here 1949-50) finished in february 1951 and season 1951 (here 1950-51) finished in late 1951. RSSSF is wrong beacause they used old NZS almanach as a source, which is also wrong. I suppose that Železničar uses the same (again wrong) source. I can you both provide with the articles from december 1951 when Korotan won the league. Another evidence is that Korotan (as a champion) played in qualification for 1952 Yugoslav Second League(which was later cancelled) and ther are also results of those matches in 1950-51 republic league article. Please revert Korotan back as the winner of 1950 and 1951 seasons. Regards. 11:02, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Then Branik won it in 1949–50 and Korotan in 1950–51, why is the 1949–50 season the only one withouth an article anyway? I found an incomplete table for 1949–50 on some forum long ago (probably scanned from a newspaper) but there are 1 or 2 games missing, Branik was first and Korotan was more than 4 points behind, I doubt that Branik have lost last two games. And also an "older" NZS data would probably be more accurate, why would NZS later change the winning teams, its a shame that NZS official website only listed official winners until WW2, but not 1945–1991 Matej1234 11:28, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Season 1949-50 is without an article because noone has written it. :) You can do it of course. I don't have a table with complete wins, draws, defeats and goal diference, i have only points. I also have an article from 4. february 1951 when Korotan won the last suspended game and claimed a title. Branik did not win in those two seasons. They aknowledge it themselves in ther own monography Branik 1900-2000, that they were second. I have that book. There is also no "newer" NZS data, the only NZS data is "old" and false. Linhart (talk) 12:57, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

What if they later changed the rules of competition (thats why "old" NZS data is maybe correct), because I see that Korotan and Branik are level with points but Korotan have better goal diff, maybe they (or newspaper?) accidently ranked teams based on goal diff instead of head-to-head matches, newspapers are not like internet when you can just edit an article if something is later changed...for example, what if on 26 March 2013 a newspaper claim that Korotan have won the league because of goal diff, but NZS proclaimed someone else as the winner later that day because head-to-head matches are used for sorting? They cant just take newspapers back and edit them...

Then of course the newspapers would publish it the next day. It was not just about lets say sixth and seventh place, is was about the winner, it was about the team that celebrated a title, it was about the team that played in qualification for the promotion. Everything that cannot possibly be false. In your case the NZS would have realized that they gave the throphy to the wrong team after that team would allready play in qualification matches. It is totally unlikely. I checked various sources in NUK about the subject and all claim Korotan as a winner, just the NZS book has Branik. I don't have money to order copies from NUK but I don't understand how you can can trust one source over all the others. Here again I'm posting league table for 1950.

1 Korotan, Kranj 37 2 Kladivar, Celje 34 3 Branik, Maribor 32 4 Nafta, Lendava 31 5 Krim, Ljubljana 29 6 Željezničar, Maribor 19 7 Sobota, Murska Sobota 18 8 Miličnik, Ljubljana 13 9 Željezničar, Gorica 12 10 Gregorčič, Jesenice 11 11 Proletarec, Zagorje ob Savi 9 12 Drava, Ptuj 11 0 0 11 9:62 -53 0 (Drava withrew after the spring part, Odred B and Proleter Koper were playing "out of concurence") I think it's clear that Korotan won this one. So the only problem left is 1951. I and newspapers claim Korotan, you and one book Branik. I really don't know how else to prove the point if the articles from that time and promotion play-off results aren't enough.

Is there any book about football in Kranj? Maybe they have info on that...book is always a better source then newspapers, newspapers are released daily and can contain mistakes, but books are checked 10 times before being published, especially the winners, do you really think that they would post wrong winners? Its like NZS would now release a book and claim Domžale as 2012 Slovenian League winners, highly unlikely. Also, how do you know that Železničar is using NZS books for info? Not only they claim that Branik was first, they also claim that Železničar finished 5th while in newspapers it says 6th...and guess what, they are level with Mura on 5-6 place, so again it looks like the newspapers wrongly sorted teams based on goal diff. Matej1234 (talk) 16:55, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

It is not unlikely, since it evidently hapened in the same book, where NZS published wrong cup winners for some seasons. If it happened for cup, why not for league? Those information appeared in books from early nineties, that were mostly made by Stare, 80 years Olimpija, 70 years NZS and "Slovenski nogomet 1992". The information was gathered very fast in those years for varios nationalist and other interests and ther main intence was not to publish verified material, but to publish things about slovenian football, which was something new after the independence. I guarantee that noone has checked those information 10 times and I allready mentioned you before some information used by Stare, that was evidently false (Grafičar, Unior ets.). I really don't understand why you trust to that "faker" Stare so much?Linhart (talk) 17:46, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

And about books. I sent you text from Branik's book. So Branik is mistaking in his own book??? Linhart (talk) 17:52, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Well I can write some text and claim that it is from book too...and what if Braniks book is wrong but NZS correct? But fine I guess its true, you dont need to scan it now, Korotan won it in 1951, thats solved now Matej1234 (talk) Matej1234 (talk) 17:57, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Well, I don't have a scanner, but I can take photo if you want.

No its fine, I believe it...change it back to Korotan and Branik both 2 titles, and those league articles should be renamed (1951 Slovenian Rep. league, not 1951–52) Matej1234 (talk) 18:34, 26 March 2013 (UTC)