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@Sock: It looks like we disagree on whether the other producers should appear in the infobox. Since we've changed it back and forth a couple of times, let's talk about it. There's a difference between the production of an individual song and an entire album, and just because someone is credited as a producer on one does not necessarily make them a producer on the other. It's rather unconventional on Wikipedia to credit the songs' producers in the infobox of the album the song appears on, and no sources I'm aware of indicate that the album as a whole was produced by anyone other than Robinson. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 19:51, 22 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
@TechnoSquirrel69 I respect your opinion, but you're mistaken about this being "rather unconvential". If you look any hip-hop or pop album article of the last several years, you'll see every producer for each track included in the infobox.
I think limiting the infobox to only show a perceived "lead" producer erases the credit of other contributors and veers close to original research. It also conflicts with WP:NOEXEC since the whole idea of that addition was to include producers but not executive, co-, and additional producers. Robinson credits the others as equivalent producers, so we should do the same in my view. Sock(tock talk)04:29, 23 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hmm, maybe we've had different experiences with the music-related articles we've been looking at, but that's beside the point — every article might be different. The participants of this 2020 RfC (which decided on the phrasing in the infobox documentation you're citing) did in fact discuss the different situation hip-hop albums often have when it comes to crediting producers. They ultimately decided on option 2, which doesn't directly address the inclusion of producers of individual songs like option 3 did, meaning that it would be best to evaluate the decision for this album on its own merits. I'm not of the opinion that we should be crediting all of the other producers alongside Robinson, creating the impression that they had equivalent or comparable contributions to the project when that doesn't seem to be the case. Robinson produced all ten tracks, while the next two are Gavin Bendt at four tracks and Luke Shippey at three. The three of them talked about the production and recording of the album during this livestream, and their commentary indicates that they didn't have a very formal delineation between songwriting, production, and engineering roles. Robinson does seem to take the lead on the production; he wrote and produced "Cheerleader", for example, nearly to completion before Bendt came on to wrap up the mixing and mastering work. (It's far too late where I live to be scrubbing for timestamps at the moment, but it shouldn't be too bad to find in the transcript.) Let me know what your thoughts are on this. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 06:20, 23 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
@TechnoSquirrel69: Sorry for the delay replying to you there! It seems I misremembered the outcome of that RfC and I think your argument in this case is really strong. The livestream in particular supports that Robinson headed the production, so I'm all good with limiting the infobox to just him. Thanks for all the info! Sock(tock talk)18:46, 25 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
